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> So, if you were in a case where the thief was asking to hand over your phone – you can just reach into your pocket, squeeze it, and it will disable Face ID. I
by wyc 9y ago
> So, if you were in a case where the thief was asking to hand over your phone – you can just reach into your pocket, squeeze it, and it will disable Face ID. It will do the same thing on iPhone 8 to disable Touch ID.
I imagine that authorities will catch on pretty quickly: "keep your hands up and away from your pockets while we retrieve your device." It would have to happen before any kind of duress.
- slg 9y agoYeah, police won't have any problem with people quickly reaching into their pockets to grab an unknown object. I can't see how that might go badly.
- valuearb 9y agoYou are worried about police shooting you after ASKING you to get your phone out of your pocket, but only when you are disabling it's Face ID? How do they know you've disabled Face ID?
- malloci 9y agoI suspect, in most cases, the police will ask you which pocket your phone is in and fish it out themselves...
- nsxwolf 9y agoThey should have added facial gestures that disable the feature. Like wrinkle your nose or something.
- alwillis 9y agoFace ID doesn't work if your eyes are closed. Sure, there are situations where that won't be tolerated, but it's a start.
- spullara 9y agoI think you can also just avert your gaze.
- aetherson 9y agoDo the Bewitched nose twitch thing! Automatically turns off face id and texts the ACLU. Jobs would've insisted on it. :P
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- IBM 9y agoNo doubt the skeptics will continue to contort themselves into creating even more contrived scenarios.
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- m_mueller 9y agodisagree, this is far from contrived. the fact is that someone can grab this phone from you and onlock it without requiring any kind of force - the only protection you have in such a scenario is to not lock eyes with it, which requires quite a bit of preparedness.
- valuearb 9y agoIf someone can grab your phone from you they can easily get your pin-code by repeatedly hitting you in the face.
- mikeash 9y agoOne scenario where it would be really useful is being pulled over in a car. Give your phone a quick squeeze before you even stop the car. It'll also be a more convenient way to disable the feature before going through customs. The tech community's reaction to this stuff seems to boil down to "it does not solve every single problem therefore it is pointless." Which is silly, although to be fair it seems to be the tech community's reaction to a lot of things.
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- jayd16 9y ago>"it does not solve every single problem therefore it is pointless." If its something to do with security then yes, it is pointless. It doesn't matter how secure your door is if your window is open.
- ballenf 9y agoIf I see someone crawling through my neighbor's window, I'll investigate maybe even call police to request a drive-by. Walking through their unlocked door, I won't.
- jayd16 9y agoHow exactly does this analogy translate to unlocking a phone?
- kalleboo 9y agoSo you're saying I shouldn't even bother with a PIN?
- jayd16 9y agoI'm not saying this is true of Face ID but if you set a pin, and there is also a much less secure way to unlock the phone, then yeah the pin was pointless because attackers will just go through the path of least resistance. Said another way, the chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
- bluthru 9y agoOoh, one eye open to disable would be great!
- Dirlewanger 9y agoThis is no different than police thinking you're reaching for a weapon...
- valuearb 9y agoExcept the part where the police ask you to pull out your phone.
- kccqzy 9y agoYou already have to keep your hands up and away from your pockets lest they think you are retrieving a gun. Well, if you aren't white.
- tareqak 9y agoIs is possible to disable Face ID? If so, would disabling Face ID prior to ever committing a crime / getting arrested result in some sort of non-compliance / bad faith charge against the accused?
- djrogers 9y agoDid you even read TFA or any other info about it? It’s an alternative to your PIN - it doesn’t replace your PIN, and t isn’t required. Just like TouchID.
- masterj 9y agoA facial gesture to disable would go a long way here. Stick out your tongue => force passcode
- valuearb 9y ago"keep your hands up and away from your pockets while we retrieve your device" LOL. Now the police have the right to physically search random people? The police can do nothing if you put your hand in your pocket and disable the phone.
- WillPostForFood 9y agoExcept shoot you because they are afraid you are reaching for a gun. Last thing in the world I would do when a cop says, "put your is hand up," is reach into my pocket.
- valuearb 9y agoHow many times have you had a cop point a gun at you or order you to hold your hands up? You are worried about a tiny percentage of cases. Most people are worried about border agents (who have authority as much as 100 miles inland) or cops in traffic stops asking to see their phones. 99% of the time you will be able to hand them the phone and disable it before they get it. They aren't allowed to ask you for the pin-code, so it's game-set-match at that point.
- nicky0 9y agoI'd hazard a guess that you are a white person.
- _ph_ 9y agoIf you want to protect against a police who at gun point would not allow you yourself to retrieve your phone from your pocket, but rather search you an take it themselves, you should not use any biometric feature, be it FaceID or TouchID. They can force you to put your fingerprints on the phone. You should then just use a long and secure pin code, which they currently cannot obtain legally from you.
- comex 9y ago> LOL. Now the police have the right to physically search random people? See: stop-and-frisk.
- mrknmc 9y agoIf the thief can get you to hand over your phone, I'm not sure what's stopping him from asking for your passcode.
- dbbk 9y agoHonestly I struggle to understand why this is something that Apple should be designing around? If law enforcement has the authority to search your phone and they have a reason to do it they should do it... it's not Apple's job to protect you from law enforcement.