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The difference is that many phones come with the the Google Play store on them, and "Allow installation of apps from unknown sources" locked off. I don't know

The difference is that many phones come with the the Google Play store on them, and "Allow installation of apps from unknown sources" locked off. I don't know what the metaphor would be; if a good chunk of cars were somehow locked where you couldn't drive to other stores than WalMart, and WalMart were involved in the production of those cars?

majormajor 9y ago
This is a good point, but also suggestive of the needed remedy being something other than "force the play store open" more akin to "ensure the underlying platforms are more open." I have much more problem with forcing someone to distribute things than I do with forcing them to allow other distribution methods.
- KGIII 9y ago
  To play Devil's Advocate, should a company be forced to bake a cake for gay people? Should they be forced to serve minorities? I think we have decided the answer is yes.
  - majormajor 9y ago
    There are interesting aspects there, but the idea of protected classes vs unprotected ones and restricting discrimination based on that isn't one I have a huge problem with. I don't believe that a cake store having to serve minorities needs to imply that they have to be willing, say, to create cakes with arbitrary recipes. Could be an issue that comes up in the future with food allergy stuff, though, but as it is today that's not protected, and I feel it would be ludicrous to force shops to be "common carriers" that have to cook whatever the customer wants—of course, there are significant level-of-market-control differences here too.
    - KGIII 9y ago
      It's not just about protected classes, it's about equal service for all. Buggered if I have a solution, I just know these sorts of things are problems.
  - sandov 9y ago
    >I think we have decided the answer is yes. When did we decide this? To my knowledge it's still a debate. And IMHO, we shouldn't force anyone to sell/buy anything from/to anyone.
    - KGIII 9y ago
      We, as a society, decided you can't bar black people from eating at your diner - for example. We is a collective term.
      - alva 9y ago
        > should a company be forced to bake a cake for gay people? should a Muslim bakery be forced to bake a cake for a gay couple? genuine question.
        KGIII 9y ago
        We, as a society, have decided yes.
magicalist 9y ago
> and "Allow installation of apps from unknown sources" locked off Which phones are these?
- johnnyanmac 9y ago
  as far as I know, every modern android phone. To enable sideloading involves going into your security settings and toggling the option to allow unknown sources. It'd likely be a legal viability if they didn't do this, as a consumer can complain about getting a virus and that they were not proper measure taken to ensure that they were protected against this.
  - magicalist 9y ago
    The GP said "locked off", not just default off, and the Walmart analogy implies they meant permanently locked off as it sounded.

majormajor 9y ago

This is a good point, but also suggestive of the needed remedy being something other than "force the play store open" more akin to "ensure the underlying platforms are more open." I have much more problem with forcing someone to distribute things than I do with forcing them to allow other distribution methods.

KGIII 9y ago
To play Devil's Advocate, should a company be forced to bake a cake for gay people? Should they be forced to serve minorities? I think we have decided the answer is yes.
- majormajor 9y ago
  There are interesting aspects there, but the idea of protected classes vs unprotected ones and restricting discrimination based on that isn't one I have a huge problem with. I don't believe that a cake store having to serve minorities needs to imply that they have to be willing, say, to create cakes with arbitrary recipes. Could be an issue that comes up in the future with food allergy stuff, though, but as it is today that's not protected, and I feel it would be ludicrous to force shops to be "common carriers" that have to cook whatever the customer wants—of course, there are significant level-of-market-control differences here too.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    It's not just about protected classes, it's about equal service for all. Buggered if I have a solution, I just know these sorts of things are problems.
- sandov 9y ago
  >I think we have decided the answer is yes. When did we decide this? To my knowledge it's still a debate. And IMHO, we shouldn't force anyone to sell/buy anything from/to anyone.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    We, as a society, decided you can't bar black people from eating at your diner - for example. We is a collective term.
    - alva 9y ago
      > should a company be forced to bake a cake for gay people? should a Muslim bakery be forced to bake a cake for a gay couple? genuine question.
      - KGIII 9y ago
        We, as a society, have decided yes.

magicalist 9y ago

> and "Allow installation of apps from unknown sources" locked off Which phones are these?

johnnyanmac 9y ago
as far as I know, every modern android phone. To enable sideloading involves going into your security settings and toggling the option to allow unknown sources. It'd likely be a legal viability if they didn't do this, as a consumer can complain about getting a virus and that they were not proper measure taken to ensure that they were protected against this.
- magicalist 9y ago
  The GP said "locked off", not just default off, and the Walmart analogy implies they meant permanently locked off as it sounded.