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Something as simple as "refrigerated food" stands in and of itself as a counter argument. Your entire diet would be different if cars werent around.

brndnmtthws 9y ago
What does refrigeration have to do with automobiles?
- FilterSweep 9y ago
  Are you going to continue to try playing devil's advocate by saying you live next a farm and don't need a refrigerated truck to drive produce to your grocery store, or are you now seeing what I'm saying here?
- random_rr 9y ago
  Presumably, automobiles allow people who may live farther away from a store to get perishable (frozen or refrigerated) items home in time.
  - FilterSweep 9y ago
    Remember that perishables are coming to the store from somewhere else, as well.
- Kluny 9y ago
  Refrigerated transport trucks.
CydeWeys 9y ago
What does refrigerated food have to do with personally owned automobiles? Or are you referring to the transportation infrastructure that allows the delivery of refrigerated food to grocery stores?
Sharlin 9y ago
You need trucks to transport refrigerated food, sure. But personal cars?
- FilterSweep 9y ago
  What you're saying is a bit different than the premise I argued against from parent, effectively (an oversimplification, but...): "Automobiles are bad" I come from a bias being from Silicon Valley, but when I moved to the south, it is IMPOSSIBLE to work without a car. I mean, as a developer, I can work from home, but our corporate overlords would like me in an office. Are you aware that there are cities which have no feasible public transportation? To get rid of "personal transport cars", you would also require a massive paradigm shift. Not just in city planning, or introduction of public transport, but with how people live as well. A massive "unrooting" of our current structures would need to take place, with a rapid replacement of more sustainable transit options. I actually find it valuable, in the longterm, but no one will agree with me.
  - brndnmtthws 9y ago
    Yep, we need progress and good urban planning. Some places (like the Netherlands) have embraced cycling, for example, because of its many benefits. There's lots of good info about this particular case study over at Wikipedia[1], and also check out the recent NYT article[2]. Here's a good quote: > More important for the nation’s bottom line, the country’s preference for the bicycle could save its economy $23 billion each year, according to a recent study done at Utrecht University and published in the American Journal of Public Health. The study suggested that the Netherlands’ vigorous cycling habits prevented 6,500 premature deaths each year. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_in_the_Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_in_the_Netherlands [2]: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/world/europe/bicycling-utrecht-dutch-love-bikes-worlds-largest-bike-parking-garages.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/world/europe/bicycling-ut...
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brndnmtthws 9y ago

What does refrigeration have to do with automobiles?

FilterSweep 9y ago
Are you going to continue to try playing devil's advocate by saying you live next a farm and don't need a refrigerated truck to drive produce to your grocery store, or are you now seeing what I'm saying here?
random_rr 9y ago
Presumably, automobiles allow people who may live farther away from a store to get perishable (frozen or refrigerated) items home in time.
- FilterSweep 9y ago
  Remember that perishables are coming to the store from somewhere else, as well.
Kluny 9y ago
Refrigerated transport trucks.

CydeWeys 9y ago

What does refrigerated food have to do with personally owned automobiles? Or are you referring to the transportation infrastructure that allows the delivery of refrigerated food to grocery stores?

Sharlin 9y ago

You need trucks to transport refrigerated food, sure. But personal cars?

FilterSweep 9y ago
What you're saying is a bit different than the premise I argued against from parent, effectively (an oversimplification, but...): "Automobiles are bad" I come from a bias being from Silicon Valley, but when I moved to the south, it is IMPOSSIBLE to work without a car. I mean, as a developer, I can work from home, but our corporate overlords would like me in an office. Are you aware that there are cities which have no feasible public transportation? To get rid of "personal transport cars", you would also require a massive paradigm shift. Not just in city planning, or introduction of public transport, but with how people live as well. A massive "unrooting" of our current structures would need to take place, with a rapid replacement of more sustainable transit options. I actually find it valuable, in the longterm, but no one will agree with me.
- brndnmtthws 9y ago
  Yep, we need progress and good urban planning. Some places (like the Netherlands) have embraced cycling, for example, because of its many benefits. There's lots of good info about this particular case study over at Wikipedia[1], and also check out the recent NYT article[2]. Here's a good quote: > More important for the nation’s bottom line, the country’s preference for the bicycle could save its economy $23 billion each year, according to a recent study done at Utrecht University and published in the American Journal of Public Health. The study suggested that the Netherlands’ vigorous cycling habits prevented 6,500 premature deaths each year. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_in_the_Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_in_the_Netherlands [2]: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/world/europe/bicycling-utrecht-dutch-love-bikes-worlds-largest-bike-parking-garages.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/world/europe/bicycling-ut...
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