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Devil's advocate / counterpoint: https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/908675882587484160 https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/908675882587484160 My complain

by j_s 9y ago

Devil's advocate / counterpoint: https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/908675882587484160 https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/908675882587484160 My complaint here is that Google is making things worse for media/game pages by making life good for people reading web content proper

CJefferson 9y ago
If you interact with the element it can play sound, so games will just be silent until you first click on them.
fish_fan 9y ago
I mean, "worse" here is really a relative term when it's so easy to re-enable for a page. I can't say i'm empathetic when i mostly see stupid autoplayed news clips and car ads.
koonsolo 9y ago
And this one: "What's interesting here is how what this really demonstrates is that Flash really was exactly what we wanted". With HTML5, who didn't see annoying JavaScript popups and autoplay videos coming? Seriously. If you think about the web, think about 2 things: 1. Text content 2. Multimedia content People complaining about Flash always used arguments for nr 1. For me, I want my text content to be really static text content, and my multimedia content to be boxed-in multimedia. HTML4 and Flash were good at that. Now you have a mix of both: 1. Text content with annoying interactions 2. Crippled multimedia content (think about the terrible way iOS handles audio for HTML5 games. Expect this in all browsers soon).
- sosborn 9y ago
  Annoying stuff is always annoying, but the major complaints about flash were centered on security holes and excessive CPU utilization.
  - koonsolo 9y ago
    Sure, I'm willing to accept that, including that Flash is not a web standard. But another solution might have been to make a Flash web standard, with open implementations, instead of HTML5. This is really an architectural choice that was made, not so much the blocking of a plugin. They chose to integrate all in 1 big pile, instead of keeping web content and multimedia separate. And now you end up with a washed out version of both.
- kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
  NoScript tames all the dark patterns enabled by HTML5.
teamhappy 9y ago
That would have been a reasonable response to Apple's announcement. From what I can tell they will disable all autoplaying media in the upcoming version of Safari, including muted video. The only thing Google won't let you do anymore is autoplay audio. I think most people agree that that's one of the things you should never ever do anyway. If you need audio, add a play button to your game/creative coding thing.

by j_s 9y ago

CJefferson 9y ago

If you interact with the element it can play sound, so games will just be silent until you first click on them.

fish_fan 9y ago

I mean, "worse" here is really a relative term when it's so easy to re-enable for a page. I can't say i'm empathetic when i mostly see stupid autoplayed news clips and car ads.

koonsolo 9y ago

And this one: "What's interesting here is how what this really demonstrates is that Flash really was exactly what we wanted". With HTML5, who didn't see annoying JavaScript popups and autoplay videos coming? Seriously. If you think about the web, think about 2 things: 1. Text content 2. Multimedia content People complaining about Flash always used arguments for nr 1. For me, I want my text content to be really static text content, and my multimedia content to be boxed-in multimedia. HTML4 and Flash were good at that. Now you have a mix of both: 1. Text content with annoying interactions 2. Crippled multimedia content (think about the terrible way iOS handles audio for HTML5 games. Expect this in all browsers soon).

sosborn 9y ago
Annoying stuff is always annoying, but the major complaints about flash were centered on security holes and excessive CPU utilization.
- koonsolo 9y ago
  Sure, I'm willing to accept that, including that Flash is not a web standard. But another solution might have been to make a Flash web standard, with open implementations, instead of HTML5. This is really an architectural choice that was made, not so much the blocking of a plugin. They chose to integrate all in 1 big pile, instead of keeping web content and multimedia separate. And now you end up with a washed out version of both.
kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
NoScript tames all the dark patterns enabled by HTML5.

teamhappy 9y ago

That would have been a reasonable response to Apple's announcement. From what I can tell they will disable all autoplaying media in the upcoming version of Safari, including muted video. The only thing Google won't let you do anymore is autoplay audio. I think most people agree that that's one of the things you should never ever do anyway. If you need audio, add a play button to your game/creative coding thing.