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The patent grant isn't the problem it's the termination on any action against Facebook. Hence if Facebook infringes on patents you own you can't take action aga

The patent grant isn't the problem it's the termination on any action against Facebook. Hence if Facebook infringes on patents you own you can't take action against them if you are using React.

yzmtf2008 9y ago
I think it’s quite fair to say “don’t sue us if you want to use our stuff for free”.
Flenser 9y ago
It's not "termination on any action against Facebook", the termination is only for: 1. filing a patent infringement against Facebook (for anything, related or unrelated to React) 2. filing a patent infringement counterclaim against Facebook for patents related to React (after Facebook have first filed a patent infringement claim against you for patents on anything) 3. filing a patent infringement against anyone for patents related to React [edit] > if Facebook infringes on patents you own you can't take action against them if you are using React. You can take action against them, you just don't have a patent grant once you do.
- K0nserv 9y ago
  > You can take action against them, you just don't have a patent grant once you do. Which opens you up to being countered-sued right? It seems that this leaves Facebook to freely infringe on any patents of React users without consequence.
  - Flenser 9y ago
    Only if they have a patent on [edit: something in] React, or on anything else that you use (regardless of it's from Facebook) [edit2] Also, patent lawsuits are costly. If you're going to start one against Facebook the cost of switching away from React first would be negligible.
  - efdee 9y ago
    Not without consequence. You as a company will have to determine which is more of a problem: Facebook using your patents, or you using Facebook's patents.
  - halfteatree 9y ago
    As I replied above, this takes you to the same place without a patent grant.
halfteatree 9y ago
>you can't take action against them if you are using React. Umm, no. You can still sue them, but the patent grant is nullified, which takes you back to the place where no such patent grant exists. Hence, you're strictly better off with the grant.

The patent grant isn't the problem it's the termination on any action against Facebook. Hence if Facebook infringes on patents you own you can't take action against them if you are using React.

yzmtf2008 9y ago

I think it’s quite fair to say “don’t sue us if you want to use our stuff for free”.

Flenser 9y ago

It's not "termination on any action against Facebook", the termination is only for: 1. filing a patent infringement against Facebook (for anything, related or unrelated to React) 2. filing a patent infringement counterclaim against Facebook for patents related to React (after Facebook have first filed a patent infringement claim against you for patents on anything) 3. filing a patent infringement against anyone for patents related to React [edit] > if Facebook infringes on patents you own you can't take action against them if you are using React. You can take action against them, you just don't have a patent grant once you do.

K0nserv 9y ago
> You can take action against them, you just don't have a patent grant once you do. Which opens you up to being countered-sued right? It seems that this leaves Facebook to freely infringe on any patents of React users without consequence.
- Flenser 9y ago
  Only if they have a patent on [edit: something in] React, or on anything else that you use (regardless of it's from Facebook) [edit2] Also, patent lawsuits are costly. If you're going to start one against Facebook the cost of switching away from React first would be negligible.
- efdee 9y ago
  Not without consequence. You as a company will have to determine which is more of a problem: Facebook using your patents, or you using Facebook's patents.
- halfteatree 9y ago
  As I replied above, this takes you to the same place without a patent grant.

halfteatree 9y ago

>you can't take action against them if you are using React. Umm, no. You can still sue them, but the patent grant is nullified, which takes you back to the place where no such patent grant exists. Hence, you're strictly better off with the grant.