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Great read, gives a logical theory and really puts things into perspective. While government sponsored surveillance is still going strong, the cold war was cra

Great read, gives a logical theory and really puts things into perspective. While government sponsored surveillance is still going strong, the cold war was crazy. Imagine for a moment if the internet (correction: the web) was invented and became popular during a cold war era. that would be fun

Cthulhu_ 9y ago
The predecessor of the internet (ARPANet) was invented during the cold war, I wouldn't doubt if there were attempts to use it by both the US and Russia. Also I'd argue that the cold war is still very much active on the internet, "russian hackers" is a common subject in the news. Whether that's really Russian hackers or just playing the blame game is up for debate of course. Blaming things on the Russians was another common thing during the cold war.
- nl 9y ago
  Whether that's really Russian hackers or just playing the blame game is up for debate of course. If you are implying there's any doubt about Russian involvement in hacking aimed at the US election, there really isn't any credible doubt about that. No one argued that ATP-28 and ATP-29 weren't Russian when they hacked the IOC and drug testing labs right after the Russian athletes were banned from the Olympic games. Nor back in 2014[1] when the FireEye assessment was first done. Nor in 2015, when they hacked the White House[2] Nor during 2016, prior to the election when they were identified[3] It's only after the election that people suddenly don't want to believe it. [1] https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2014/10/apt28-a-window-into-russias-cyber-espionage-operations.html https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2014/10/apt28-a... [2] http://www.thedailybeast.com/obama-to-putin-stop-hacking-me http://www.thedailybeast.com/obama-to-putin-stop-hacking-me [3] https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/ https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democ...
  - rorykoehler 9y ago
    How can you be sure?
    - croon 9y ago
      > How can you be sure? Don't go down this route. This leads to things like questioning if we can really be 100% super double sure that we landed on the moon, seeing as none of us have any verifiable proof. Russians were involved in a lot of hacking during the election, and a lot that has surfaced since, like intrusion into power plants, etc. How do we know this? Because all investigations from the three letter agencies agree on it. Do we have to trust them every time they say they're not spying on us? Or whether they have any active investigations on something? No. But there is no national security or stability reason for them to lie about this. Quite the opposite. That GP is being downvoted for stating this is disconcerting.
      - tertius 9y ago
        > Because all investigations from the three letter agencies agree on it. You may want to verify this.
        croon 9y ago
        I already have [1]. Are you mistaken or referring to something else? [1] https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
        tertius 9y ago
        All of their reports on all of their investigations into Russian hacking is not included on the declassified document. Did they investigate voting machine hacking? It's not included in this report.
        croon 9y ago
        You're moving goalposts. The claim you refuted was whether Russians were involved, which they were. Regardless of the amount of classified documents, any new information wouldn't contradict the current public reports of Russian involvement in X. Whether they had involvement in Y is secondary.
  - revmoo 9y ago
    > If you are implying there's any doubt about Russian involvement in hacking aimed at the US election, there really isn't any credible doubt about that. Try posting facts then.
- Symmetry 9y ago
  Hacking did take place in the Cold war. See The Cuckoo's Egg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg
- dom0 9y ago
  Some blamed the NASA hack (this day 30 years ago) on the Russians at first. (And that actually wasn't off by much, see the KGB hacks).
Synaesthesia 9y ago
We’re basically living in a new Cold War. The threat of superpower nuclear catastrophe has never been higher, and that’s no hysteria, but the assessment of sober respected analysts.
- khana 9y ago
  Yes.
roywiggins 9y ago
You'd probably enjoy The Cuckoo's Egg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg
kafkaesq 9y ago
The cold war was crazy. It's still going on, just under different guises.

Cthulhu_ 9y ago

The predecessor of the internet (ARPANet) was invented during the cold war, I wouldn't doubt if there were attempts to use it by both the US and Russia. Also I'd argue that the cold war is still very much active on the internet, "russian hackers" is a common subject in the news. Whether that's really Russian hackers or just playing the blame game is up for debate of course. Blaming things on the Russians was another common thing during the cold war.

nl 9y ago
Whether that's really Russian hackers or just playing the blame game is up for debate of course. If you are implying there's any doubt about Russian involvement in hacking aimed at the US election, there really isn't any credible doubt about that. No one argued that ATP-28 and ATP-29 weren't Russian when they hacked the IOC and drug testing labs right after the Russian athletes were banned from the Olympic games. Nor back in 2014[1] when the FireEye assessment was first done. Nor in 2015, when they hacked the White House[2] Nor during 2016, prior to the election when they were identified[3] It's only after the election that people suddenly don't want to believe it. [1] https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2014/10/apt28-a-window-into-russias-cyber-espionage-operations.html https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2014/10/apt28-a... [2] http://www.thedailybeast.com/obama-to-putin-stop-hacking-me http://www.thedailybeast.com/obama-to-putin-stop-hacking-me [3] https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/ https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democ...
- rorykoehler 9y ago
  How can you be sure?
  - croon 9y ago
    > How can you be sure? Don't go down this route. This leads to things like questioning if we can really be 100% super double sure that we landed on the moon, seeing as none of us have any verifiable proof. Russians were involved in a lot of hacking during the election, and a lot that has surfaced since, like intrusion into power plants, etc. How do we know this? Because all investigations from the three letter agencies agree on it. Do we have to trust them every time they say they're not spying on us? Or whether they have any active investigations on something? No. But there is no national security or stability reason for them to lie about this. Quite the opposite. That GP is being downvoted for stating this is disconcerting.
    - tertius 9y ago
      > Because all investigations from the three letter agencies agree on it. You may want to verify this.
      - croon 9y ago
        I already have [1]. Are you mistaken or referring to something else? [1] https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
        tertius 9y ago
        All of their reports on all of their investigations into Russian hacking is not included on the declassified document. Did they investigate voting machine hacking? It's not included in this report.
        croon 9y ago
        You're moving goalposts. The claim you refuted was whether Russians were involved, which they were. Regardless of the amount of classified documents, any new information wouldn't contradict the current public reports of Russian involvement in X. Whether they had involvement in Y is secondary.
- revmoo 9y ago
  > If you are implying there's any doubt about Russian involvement in hacking aimed at the US election, there really isn't any credible doubt about that. Try posting facts then.
Symmetry 9y ago
Hacking did take place in the Cold war. See The Cuckoo's Egg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg
dom0 9y ago
Some blamed the NASA hack (this day 30 years ago) on the Russians at first. (And that actually wasn't off by much, see the KGB hacks).

Synaesthesia 9y ago

We’re basically living in a new Cold War. The threat of superpower nuclear catastrophe has never been higher, and that’s no hysteria, but the assessment of sober respected analysts.

khana 9y ago
Yes.

roywiggins 9y ago

You'd probably enjoy The Cuckoo's Egg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg

kafkaesq 9y ago

The cold war was crazy. It's still going on, just under different guises.