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One of the women suing complained that a man was hired a level above her with the same years of experience. They both had four years experience. I joined one o

• hrktb 9y ago
  > Hiring is broken, we all know this. Then what is your problem with them suing ? They go a different way than yours, but if it's broken in the first place why not ?
  • slavak 9y ago
    Well, the suit only has merit if hiring is broken in a way that unfairly disadvantages a protected class. (In this case, women.) I think the poster's point was that hiring is broken equally for everyone, which is inefficient but not illegal.
• nomel 9y ago
  > Sometimes we might not get what we deserve. Sometimes we deserve less than others. Gender/etc aside, some people are less talented/effective. Society seems to be afraid to say this, but not everyone is created equal upstairs. > They both had four years experience. Obviously, on the job years is almost entirely unrelated to pre-work experience, so this is just silly. I hope there's more to it. I'm curious how their resumes/accomplishments compare for those four years.
  • brad0 9y ago
    Thanks for making these points explicit. Years experience is not an indicator of seniority. I have two friends that graduated at different years. One has more than 10 years experience. The other has three years. 10 year guy has been working with jquery and HTML the whole time. He avoids any other problems or domains. Three year guy wants to work in every area possible. He actively pursues internships and work that provides a wide range of experiences and technical variety. Now who do you think is more valuable as an employee?
    • flukus 9y ago
      > Now who do you think is more valuable as an employee? For which job? For some breadth of experience would be better but for a job working with html+jquery all day every day the depth of experience in that area would be preferred. Sadly the industry seems to be too focused on "full-stack" interchangeable components lately.
• srtjstjsj 9y ago
  > complained that a man was hired a level above her with the same years of experience. > You always get attacked by the very people you're trying to help. helping how?
  • fgjjgutjvnu 9y ago
    Google puts lots of effort into hiring and promoting women, and attracting them into tech.
• cakedoggie 9y ago
  > And what do you know, I got promoted into a more suitable position. This is a bit of a ridiculous statement. You seem to be claiming that everybody who shows off their skills rises to their correct level. I don't see it that way. I see that there are way more people capable of doing a senior position, but only a few positions are available.
  • brad0 9y ago
    As far as I understand the larger companies have a clear trajectory for promotion in software engineering. There's no limited places. Prove you have skills a, b and c and you get promoted.
• flukus 9y ago
  > One of the women suing complained that a man was hired a level above her with the same years of experience. They both had four years experience. It's impossible to say without more information but it could just be a case of the old 4 * 1 year experience for her and 1 * 4 years experience for him. Comparing people on years of experience is the sort of irrelevant laziness I'd expect from a recruiter, not a developer.
• pfarnsworth 9y ago
  Where I work, the level is determined by how well the did on the interview, regardless of years of experience. It might be that the plaintiff didn't do as well on the interview as her colleague. Just because both have have 4 years experience doesn't mean that both did equally as well on the interview.
• neerkumar 9y ago
  Everyone who worked at Google or a company like Google knows that 90% of people do a job well below their skills. That's how it is in those places. To sue them because you have back-end skills, but you were doing front end is laughable. There are so many PhDs in ML there writing SQL queries, or PhDs in CS changing the color of some text for an A/B test. That's how it works in the best companies in the world. You get the money and the prestige, but the job is bad.
  • solotronics 9y ago
    there is probably some kind of sweet spot where you get to do whatever really cool stuff you can think of and your company is just pretty good
    • TheArcane 9y ago
      Probably in R&D departments of tech companies.
  • kamaal 9y ago
    I think many people complain about this too. I remember a very famous HR person of a famous IT services firm in India once told in a public event that software was one of those areas where every one expects to be treated special and expects to be given a job where they feel they are generating tremendous value, by the virtue of which deserve a very high salary. While only a handful such jobs exist in any company. The standard response for these things used to be 'Go find a different job which you think works for you'. But these days its either 'do as I say' or 'prepared to get sued'.
  • whipoodle 9y ago
    This is actually very helpful to know, thank you.
  • mclightning 9y ago
    this is very true.
  • geebee 9y ago
• ElectronShak 9y ago
  > Google can't win with its current culture. This is what happens when a company or group is too left leaning. You always get attacked by the very people you're trying to help. Yah, this sums it all up, Google makes this assumption that everyone they hire has the same mindset, and this is not true.