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Feds: Google stops challenging most US warrants for data on overseas servers

12 points by kartD 9y ago

secfirstmd 9y ago
What a crappy potential violation of the sovereignty of my country (Ireland) and others where Google holds data. It's a stupid and unnecessary slippery slope of extraterritorial power by the US. We and most other countries were Google has data centres, already have proven legal arrangements for coperation with the US. I hope dozens of countries start issuing extraterratorial warrants for data that forces US companies to hand over data held in the US. Lets see what happens then...the sooner the resultant outcry and general clusterf*ck happens and this issue is binned, the better.
- ringaroundthetx 9y ago
  > It's a stupid and unnecessary slippery slope of extraterritorial power by the US The slippery slope argument was relevant maybe 60 years ago, that ship has sailed mate. > I hope dozens of countries start issuing extraterratorial warrants for data that forces US companies to hand over data held in the US. Lets see what happens then... The US will more clearly tell them to f* off, in case there was any shred of ambiguity left about what has been going on here, will threaten to remove some form of funding, will threaten to boot them out of some form of alliance, will threaten to sanction them, and so on, until compliance is restored. And then everyone can go on pretending their sovereignty isn't nominal because the US won't mess with anybody's traditions. This will continue to work as long as Russia is the boogeyman.
ringaroundthetx 9y ago
> Google, in a statement, told Ars that it supported recently introduced legislation (PDF) authorizing Internet service providers to surrender overseas data with a warrant. Wait.... thats even worse than "stop challenging". Yes, clarifying that it must be done with a warrant is nice, but this doesn't solve the problem they were challenging which was that the seizure orders can often conflict with the laws of the areas where the data is.

12 points by kartD 9y ago

What a crappy potential violation of the sovereignty of my country (Ireland) and others where Google holds data. It's a stupid and unnecessary slippery slope of extraterritorial power by the US. We and most other countries were Google has data centres, already have proven legal arrangements for coperation with the US. I hope dozens of countries start issuing extraterratorial warrants for data that forces US companies to hand over data held in the US. Lets see what happens then...the sooner the resultant outcry and general clusterf*ck happens and this issue is binned, the better.

ringaroundthetx 9y ago
> It's a stupid and unnecessary slippery slope of extraterritorial power by the US The slippery slope argument was relevant maybe 60 years ago, that ship has sailed mate. > I hope dozens of countries start issuing extraterratorial warrants for data that forces US companies to hand over data held in the US. Lets see what happens then... The US will more clearly tell them to f* off, in case there was any shred of ambiguity left about what has been going on here, will threaten to remove some form of funding, will threaten to boot them out of some form of alliance, will threaten to sanction them, and so on, until compliance is restored. And then everyone can go on pretending their sovereignty isn't nominal because the US won't mess with anybody's traditions. This will continue to work as long as Russia is the boogeyman.

ringaroundthetx 9y ago

> Google, in a statement, told Ars that it supported recently introduced legislation (PDF) authorizing Internet service providers to surrender overseas data with a warrant. Wait.... thats even worse than "stop challenging". Yes, clarifying that it must be done with a warrant is nice, but this doesn't solve the problem they were challenging which was that the seizure orders can often conflict with the laws of the areas where the data is.