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Maybe this isn't a problem we should be trying to solve with computers right now, then. We've managed to survive as a species and as a western society for years

by 1_2__4 9y ago

Maybe this isn't a problem we should be trying to solve with computers right now, then. We've managed to survive as a species and as a western society for years making these kinds of determinations using people, maybe we should continue to do that.

fapjacks 9y ago
The problem is then that the only possible way to implement that is crowdsourced voting/flagging, and enough people out there don't get some kinds of art that they would flag it that way. I think most controversial modern art would not survive on a platform like Youtube where everyday people make a determination on the palatability of it.
- alphaalpha101 9y ago
  That's just plainly false. It's entirely possible to implement it using employees that are human reviewers. If that's not profitable then they should rework their business model until it is profitable.
  - ehnto 9y ago
    It is entirely possible that the numbers don't work. From a business point of view if the only downside is that some art videos get incorrectly categorized then correctly categorized after a manual review then reworking their business model doesn't make much sense. This is bad PR for sure but I don't think the system is failing that badly. The rate at which video is uploaded is truly stagerring, and that's assuming that the successes of the automation deters many bad actors.
  - fapjacks 9y ago
    You are wrong. You do not understand how much media is being uploaded to Youtube. All of Mechanical Turk working together simultaneously could not filter all the stuff being uploaded. 300 hours of video is being uploaded to Youtube every minute. [0] [0] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+much+content+is+uploaded+to+youtube+everyday http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+much+content+is+uploaded+to+youtube...
andrewflnr 9y ago
Part of the failure here was in the human organization attempting to determine "artistic merit". The definition of art has been debated for centuries. Contractors aren't always going to make the right call, even if they do have a better rate than a computer. I don't know why everyone seems to think I'm only talking about technical solutions. Human solutions have to scale, too.

by 1_2__4 9y ago

fapjacks 9y ago

The problem is then that the only possible way to implement that is crowdsourced voting/flagging, and enough people out there don't get some kinds of art that they would flag it that way. I think most controversial modern art would not survive on a platform like Youtube where everyday people make a determination on the palatability of it.

alphaalpha101 9y ago
That's just plainly false. It's entirely possible to implement it using employees that are human reviewers. If that's not profitable then they should rework their business model until it is profitable.
- ehnto 9y ago
  It is entirely possible that the numbers don't work. From a business point of view if the only downside is that some art videos get incorrectly categorized then correctly categorized after a manual review then reworking their business model doesn't make much sense. This is bad PR for sure but I don't think the system is failing that badly. The rate at which video is uploaded is truly stagerring, and that's assuming that the successes of the automation deters many bad actors.
- fapjacks 9y ago
  You are wrong. You do not understand how much media is being uploaded to Youtube. All of Mechanical Turk working together simultaneously could not filter all the stuff being uploaded. 300 hours of video is being uploaded to Youtube every minute. [0] [0] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+much+content+is+uploaded+to+youtube+everyday http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+much+content+is+uploaded+to+youtube...

andrewflnr 9y ago

Part of the failure here was in the human organization attempting to determine "artistic merit". The definition of art has been debated for centuries. Contractors aren't always going to make the right call, even if they do have a better rate than a computer. I don't know why everyone seems to think I'm only talking about technical solutions. Human solutions have to scale, too.