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> There may not be a good solution for this problem in the general case. Surely the good solution is: decide whether you want to be 'family-friendly' at the e

by JadeNB 9y ago

> There may not be a good solution for this problem in the general case. Surely the good solution is: decide whether you want to be 'family-friendly' at the expense of suppressing valid but possibly offensive art, or 'expression-friendly' at the expense of losing easily offended parents, and then do that. No technical solutions to identifying nudity involved. (I'd say YouTube's decision is "don't offend anybody", which is, of course, not really a decision.)

andrewflnr 9y ago
Neither of those are really good options, despite your attempt to spin it. Do you think a parent is merely being "easily offended" if they don't want their kids watching "Fifty Shades of Grey" or the equivalent on YouTube? I agree that the other extreme isn't much good either. That's why it's hard. Note that no one said anything about a technical solution. Google's human review process is what failed here, and that's what I'm saying is likely to continue.
- wolco 9y ago
  If a parent doesn't want their child watching certain types of content the parent needs to monitor the child and not rely on youtube filters. If you do not approve of 50 shades it is up to you to police that. Another parent might be offended by religious vidoes. Another by non religious. Some may not allow Trump in the home while others might burn any Hilary comeback book. There isn't a technical solution to parenting.
  - hood_syntax 9y ago
    > If a parent doesn't want their child watching certain types of content the parent needs to monitor the child Why is this so hard for people to grasp? It's not the job of other people to raise your kid(s) for you.
    - KGIII 9y ago
      Possibly because of this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_takes_a_village https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_takes_a_village
      - tomsthumb 9y ago
        Do you really wanna say the internet is part of your village in the context of raising a child?
        KGIII 9y ago
        No, I was just giving a possible reason as to why people might act like its the role of others to raise their children. I neither support it, nor wish it extended to the Internet. I'm not actually sure why you'd think I was supporting it? I'm merely showing why it may be that way. In my experience, it became fairly popular to say/believe such in the early 70s, after the hippies took their clothes off and moved into the woods for a short while.
    - Noos 9y ago
      The problem is the connected and omnipresent nature of the web means there's a constant, loud sea of voices and content you have to war against, one that's really hard to control or stop. In the old days, you worried about dirty magazines under the bed, but the net has an infinite supply of the dirtiest content that's more or less trivial to find. The culture before often affected your kids a lot, but in the 70s or 80s it was local and controllable. Now its distributed and universal, while parenting is more or less the same. The old rules and chestnuts no longer apply.
  - andrewflnr 9y ago
    Unless there's some kind of technical tool, that amounts to standing over the kid's shoulder any time they're touching a computer and stopping them from tapping the wrong buttons. Besides being difficult, this sort of thing causes its own problems from a parenting standpoint. So yeah, still not a good solution.

by JadeNB 9y ago

andrewflnr 9y ago

Neither of those are really good options, despite your attempt to spin it. Do you think a parent is merely being "easily offended" if they don't want their kids watching "Fifty Shades of Grey" or the equivalent on YouTube? I agree that the other extreme isn't much good either. That's why it's hard. Note that no one said anything about a technical solution. Google's human review process is what failed here, and that's what I'm saying is likely to continue.

wolco 9y ago
If a parent doesn't want their child watching certain types of content the parent needs to monitor the child and not rely on youtube filters. If you do not approve of 50 shades it is up to you to police that. Another parent might be offended by religious vidoes. Another by non religious. Some may not allow Trump in the home while others might burn any Hilary comeback book. There isn't a technical solution to parenting.
- hood_syntax 9y ago
  > If a parent doesn't want their child watching certain types of content the parent needs to monitor the child Why is this so hard for people to grasp? It's not the job of other people to raise your kid(s) for you.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    Possibly because of this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_takes_a_village https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_takes_a_village
    - tomsthumb 9y ago
      Do you really wanna say the internet is part of your village in the context of raising a child?
      - KGIII 9y ago
        No, I was just giving a possible reason as to why people might act like its the role of others to raise their children. I neither support it, nor wish it extended to the Internet. I'm not actually sure why you'd think I was supporting it? I'm merely showing why it may be that way. In my experience, it became fairly popular to say/believe such in the early 70s, after the hippies took their clothes off and moved into the woods for a short while.
  - Noos 9y ago
    The problem is the connected and omnipresent nature of the web means there's a constant, loud sea of voices and content you have to war against, one that's really hard to control or stop. In the old days, you worried about dirty magazines under the bed, but the net has an infinite supply of the dirtiest content that's more or less trivial to find. The culture before often affected your kids a lot, but in the 70s or 80s it was local and controllable. Now its distributed and universal, while parenting is more or less the same. The old rules and chestnuts no longer apply.
- andrewflnr 9y ago
  Unless there's some kind of technical tool, that amounts to standing over the kid's shoulder any time they're touching a computer and stopping them from tapping the wrong buttons. Besides being difficult, this sort of thing causes its own problems from a parenting standpoint. So yeah, still not a good solution.