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> This is assuming we can even get a person to mars, which has not been demonstrated as feasible. Let alone a whole community. Landing per se shouldn't be impo
by bmcusick 9y ago
> This is assuming we can even get a person to mars, which has not been demonstrated as feasible. Let alone a whole community.
Landing per se shouldn't be impossible. We landed people on the Moon a long time ago. Recent advances in magnetic shell aerocapture are really exciting and make landing on Mars more feasible. The real question is whether we can learn how to do it in an economic and sustainable way; unlike Apollo.
> It would be better to colonize the moon
I agree with this. Going straight for Mars seems unwise. We should expand slowly out into the Solar System, step by organic step. Even better than the Moon would be Low Earth Orbit. A colony in LEO would have same-day access to Earth in either direction, and would benefit from being inside Earth's magnetic field, which would allow the designers to cut the mass needed for shielding significantly. Big savings.
A LEO colony would be close enough to Earth that people on Earth could teleoperate robots in the colony in real time with minimal lag, allowing it to circumvent the bootstrap question of "Where do people live while it's being built?"
A LEO colony would also have to built using bulk physical resources from the Moon or the Near Earth Asteroids, building up our manufacturing base there, and serving as a "shore leave" destination for people working further up in Geosyncrhonous Orbit or elsewhere Cis-Lunar space.
Once we have a basic torus capable of holding, say, 10,000 people, it could serve as a staging area for venturing deeper into the Solar System, such as Mars. But personally even then, I wouldn't advocate for Mars. After all that work of moving humanity out of a deep gravity well, why climb into a new one? Space is where all the solar energy is, and all the resources of the asteroid belt and the moons are (gravitationally speaking) close at hand.
> It’s a massive waste of resources which could go towards making earth better, where we’re all stuck anyway.
Now here's where I disagree with you.
1. In no way did colonizing Australia or North America prevent England from improving the homeland. You can do both! Heck, Elon Musk is already doing both. The whole point of Tesla/Solar City is to move humanity off fossil fuels.
2. Space colonization can be part of the solution. Imagine industrial processes that have very polluting intermediate steps; they could be done on the Moon where you don't have water or air to worry about polluting. Earth could be cleaned up by exporting those industries to space. The Moon could also serve as a much better repository of high-level nuclear waste than Yucca Mountain.
And of course in the very long term, the Solar System has the energy and material resources to support a human population 10,000x bigger than Earth does. As much solar energy as Earth receives, space receives a lot more. As much iron and PGM and carbon and water as Earth has, space has more. Europa alone is estimated to have 2x as much water as Earth. And so those resources can support more people who have more ideas who solve the very problems you want solved.
- keenerd 9y agoA more or less self sufficient LEO colony could also become the primary means of travel between Earth and Mars. Put some engines on it (using asteroid water for propellant) and slowly kick it into interplanetary space on an Aldrin Cycler orbit. After that it provides nearly free travel between the planets. Still needs some high-G taxis to jump between the station and the surface as it flies by but that is unavoidable.
- bmcusick 9y agoOne of the main benefits of a LEO colony is you can design it with 1/10th or less of the shielding mass of deep space colony, because it's shielded from radiation by Earth's magnetic field. Such a design would not be able to keep people healthy beyond LEO. A LEO colony would be a staging point for colonists and ships, but not a ship itself.
- keenerd 9y agoYou'd have to add shielding to it too. The whole point is that a single large shielded Cycler makes a lot more sense than smaller ships.
- Synaesthesia 9y agoThe difference is that, despite being a long trip, sailing to Australia and South Africa and the USA was fairly routine, and did not involve enormous costs, both in material and to the environment (how much CO2 does lifting a person to orbit release to the atmosphere?) How much did it cost to put a trifling amount of men on the moon? In colonial times for example it was common for a woman to go home to Europe to give birth. Will that really be feasible in mars or the moon?
- bmcusick 9y agoSpaceX is already 10x cheaper than the Space Shuttle. Reusable rockets will be another 10x or more cheaper. Access to space will be cheap and routine.