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Care to give some examples?

maxxxxx 9y ago
Look at Germany and Switzerland. They are quite similar to Obamacare in a sense: Mandatory insurance, multiple insurances, private providers. If there is no political will to resist there is a good chance the US medical industry would mess up single payer in the same way they messed up the current system .
ahartmetz 9y ago
Germany. There are several public insurance... companies? with only minor differences. There is also private health insurance that some well-off people choose. Private is cheaper only when you are young and healthy but you have to stay private forever, and it provides "better" (usually just more luxurious, not substantially better) service.
- benmarten 9y ago
  by well off you mean 11% of the population? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Krankenversicherung https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Krankenversicherung You can choose to take private insurance if you make more than 60kEUR ;)
- pgeorgi 9y ago
  German public health insurances are often "Körperschaften des öffentlichen Rechts". While this means that they're "entities under public law", they're typically running on their own, as a type of non-profit company, with board of directors, annual reports, ... Probably the closest US organization type would be a non-profit under 501(c)4.
ashark 9y ago
Typical features for non-single-payer and non-nationalized European healthcare systems include: insurance mandate, "public option", price lists/controls, insurers must be non-profit, insurance must not suck (see: many expensive plans in the US that are, nonetheless, terrible, even post-Obamacare). IIRC Switzerland and Germany's systems both have some or all of those features.
virmundi 9y ago
Germany has 200 private insurance companies. They cover the state mandated minimum. You can get better coverage over the base price if you want. Many Scandinavian countries have cohorts or risk pools that are not the whole country. You pay into those pools. You get care anywhere. Kinda like a coop system. True single payer like Medicare or the British system are actually rare.
otalp 9y ago
All European countries have universal healthcare, but not necessarily single payer. Germany(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany) has a multiplayer system that allows self-employed and high income people to have private insurance, though all others must take public insurance. And this varies, but a lot of countries have some form of public + private option, though it's usually universal.

Look at Germany and Switzerland. They are quite similar to Obamacare in a sense: Mandatory insurance, multiple insurances, private providers. If there is no political will to resist there is a good chance the US medical industry would mess up single payer in the same way they messed up the current system .

ahartmetz 9y ago

Germany. There are several public insurance... companies? with only minor differences. There is also private health insurance that some well-off people choose. Private is cheaper only when you are young and healthy but you have to stay private forever, and it provides "better" (usually just more luxurious, not substantially better) service.

benmarten 9y ago
by well off you mean 11% of the population? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Krankenversicherung https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Krankenversicherung You can choose to take private insurance if you make more than 60kEUR ;)
pgeorgi 9y ago
German public health insurances are often "Körperschaften des öffentlichen Rechts". While this means that they're "entities under public law", they're typically running on their own, as a type of non-profit company, with board of directors, annual reports, ... Probably the closest US organization type would be a non-profit under 501(c)4.

ashark 9y ago

Typical features for non-single-payer and non-nationalized European healthcare systems include: insurance mandate, "public option", price lists/controls, insurers must be non-profit, insurance must not suck (see: many expensive plans in the US that are, nonetheless, terrible, even post-Obamacare). IIRC Switzerland and Germany's systems both have some or all of those features.

virmundi 9y ago

Germany has 200 private insurance companies. They cover the state mandated minimum. You can get better coverage over the base price if you want. Many Scandinavian countries have cohorts or risk pools that are not the whole country. You pay into those pools. You get care anywhere. Kinda like a coop system. True single payer like Medicare or the British system are actually rare.

otalp 9y ago

All European countries have universal healthcare, but not necessarily single payer. Germany(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany) has a multiplayer system that allows self-employed and high income people to have private insurance, though all others must take public insurance. And this varies, but a lot of countries have some form of public + private option, though it's usually universal.