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From my 4 years with Mint on a light usage PC I can say is no better than a rolling release. The main difference is that you can be sure Mint will break after a

by zamber 9y ago

From my 4 years with Mint on a light usage PC I can say is no better than a rolling release. The main difference is that you can be sure Mint will break after a version upgrade. Arch on the other hand will make you copy/paste wiki issue solutions after each update. Also there's systemd, netctl, choosing a DE, etc. Also there's no way to reliably do non-interactive updates on Arch because otherwise it's not secure enough (I guess?).

KozmoNau7 9y ago
I've updated both my desktop and my laptop from 18 to 18.1 to 18.2 with absolutely no issues at all. Or are you talking about major versions?
- zamber 9y ago
  Yep, though I've been upgrading that system since Mint 14 (with Cinnamon). Compared to Arch the maintenance cost is orders of magnitude lower. Compared to Ubuntu (2y, at work, upgraded from 16.04 LTS -> 16.10) it feels higher mainly because stuff is less tested and can also break with regular updates (unless they fixed their workflow to remedy that). - For mortal-level usage -> Ubuntu - For mortal-level usage when you don't like Ubuntu -> Mint - For Linux junkies -> Arch EDIT - formatting
  - ernst_klim 9y ago
    >For mortal-level usage I had to choose distro for my gf, so I'd looked for some newbie friendly. I'd installed ubuntu 16.04 in qemu and I found that gnome-software does not work properly: there are a few packages available to install from gui (no scribus, no emacs, no kicad etc). Literally a year passed since lt came out and it has such unacceptable issue for a newbie-friendly distro. Hopefully fedora just works.
    - zamber 9y ago
      Package availability issues -> there are PPA's for everything. A less known thing about LTS releases is that the repos are smaller because of the testing they have to do to make it up to LTS standards. Main reason I moved from 16.04 to 16.10. I don't have direct experience with fedora but I heard that it's nice. Will have to try it someday ;).
      - ernst_klim 9y ago
        >Package availability issues It's not about availability, it's about possibility of installing packages that are in the main repo with the default software manager gui (gnome-software). In ubuntu lts I found no way to install scribus with gnome-software though it is in repository. This is just a bad quality of the distro itself and I wouldn't call suck behavior ``user friendly'' https://askubuntu.com/questions/783748/16-04-ubuntu-software-has-much-less-applications-now-why https://askubuntu.com/questions/783748/16-04-ubuntu-software...
        zamber 9y ago
        It's in the repo https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scribus/1.4.6+dfsg-4 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scribus/1.4.6+dfsg-4 so your scenario should work. In comparison arch: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/i686/scribus/ https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/i686/scribus/ Fedora: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/scribus https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/scribus IIRC you have to enable multiverse repos in Ubuntu manually (doable with the GUI or somewhere in settings). 2017 will be the year of Linux on the desktop :P.

by zamber 9y ago

KozmoNau7 9y ago

I've updated both my desktop and my laptop from 18 to 18.1 to 18.2 with absolutely no issues at all. Or are you talking about major versions?

zamber 9y ago
Yep, though I've been upgrading that system since Mint 14 (with Cinnamon). Compared to Arch the maintenance cost is orders of magnitude lower. Compared to Ubuntu (2y, at work, upgraded from 16.04 LTS -> 16.10) it feels higher mainly because stuff is less tested and can also break with regular updates (unless they fixed their workflow to remedy that). - For mortal-level usage -> Ubuntu - For mortal-level usage when you don't like Ubuntu -> Mint - For Linux junkies -> Arch EDIT - formatting
- ernst_klim 9y ago
  >For mortal-level usage I had to choose distro for my gf, so I'd looked for some newbie friendly. I'd installed ubuntu 16.04 in qemu and I found that gnome-software does not work properly: there are a few packages available to install from gui (no scribus, no emacs, no kicad etc). Literally a year passed since lt came out and it has such unacceptable issue for a newbie-friendly distro. Hopefully fedora just works.
  - zamber 9y ago
    Package availability issues -> there are PPA's for everything. A less known thing about LTS releases is that the repos are smaller because of the testing they have to do to make it up to LTS standards. Main reason I moved from 16.04 to 16.10. I don't have direct experience with fedora but I heard that it's nice. Will have to try it someday ;).
    - ernst_klim 9y ago
      >Package availability issues It's not about availability, it's about possibility of installing packages that are in the main repo with the default software manager gui (gnome-software). In ubuntu lts I found no way to install scribus with gnome-software though it is in repository. This is just a bad quality of the distro itself and I wouldn't call suck behavior ``user friendly'' https://askubuntu.com/questions/783748/16-04-ubuntu-software-has-much-less-applications-now-why https://askubuntu.com/questions/783748/16-04-ubuntu-software...
      - zamber 9y ago
        It's in the repo https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scribus/1.4.6+dfsg-4 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scribus/1.4.6+dfsg-4 so your scenario should work. In comparison arch: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/i686/scribus/ https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/i686/scribus/ Fedora: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/scribus https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/scribus IIRC you have to enable multiverse repos in Ubuntu manually (doable with the GUI or somewhere in settings). 2017 will be the year of Linux on the desktop :P.