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>All biometric security mechanisms are bad They are though, if bad == insecure. Customs can make you unlock with fingerprint or face. If you can't lock yoursel

by danjoc 9y ago

>All biometric security mechanisms are bad They are though, if bad == insecure. Customs can make you unlock with fingerprint or face. If you can't lock yourself out, it's not secure.

pertymcpert 9y ago
Customs can do that anyway if you have a password.
- Jeremy1026 9y ago
  Constitutionally, an individual can not be forced to enter a password for law enforcement (including customs agents).
  - eanzenberg 9y ago
    That's the point, "constitutionally" while they lock you up for hours/days on end to obtain the warrant needed to give up your password unless you are willing to stay locked up.
    - colejohnson66 9y ago
      Many border agents, it seems, have the “if you have nothing to hide” mentality. So if you’re refusing to unlock your phone, clearly you’re hiding something.
    - Jeremy1026 9y ago
      Get that sweet settlement for wrongful imprisonment.
      - tastythrowaway 9y ago
        How many times has this actually happened though?
      - coldtea 9y ago
        Or, you know, no settlement, and not even a "sorry, oops" either.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    That would be comforting if both (a) and (b) were true: (a) the world was only US citizens. (b) nothing unconstitutional ever happened to the first group.
- danjoc 9y ago
  > Customs can do that anyway if you have a password. Allow me to repeat myself, If you can't lock yourself out, it's not secure. For example, some banks have time locks. Nobody gets into the vault, unless it is in a certain window of time.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >If you can't lock yourself out, it's not secure. It's not secure if you can lock yourself out either. A court could hold you in contempt for failing to unlock or intently locking. And a state actor or even mugger could just hurt you or even kill you, in frustration if you don't open it for them.
mikeash 9y ago
That's why you temporarily disable biometric authentication before you go through customs. On iOS, this is as easy as turning the device off, and in iOS 11 it just takes five quick presses of the sleep button.
valuearb 9y ago
Biometric security mechanisms are the best security mechanisms. Because they fall in the category of "will be used" as opposed to perfect security, which almost always falls in the category "won't be used"

by danjoc 9y ago

>All biometric security mechanisms are bad They are though, if bad == insecure. Customs can make you unlock with fingerprint or face. If you can't lock yourself out, it's not secure.

pertymcpert 9y ago

Customs can do that anyway if you have a password.

Jeremy1026 9y ago
Constitutionally, an individual can not be forced to enter a password for law enforcement (including customs agents).
- eanzenberg 9y ago
  That's the point, "constitutionally" while they lock you up for hours/days on end to obtain the warrant needed to give up your password unless you are willing to stay locked up.
  - colejohnson66 9y ago
    Many border agents, it seems, have the “if you have nothing to hide” mentality. So if you’re refusing to unlock your phone, clearly you’re hiding something.
  - Jeremy1026 9y ago
    Get that sweet settlement for wrongful imprisonment.
    - tastythrowaway 9y ago
      How many times has this actually happened though?
    - coldtea 9y ago
      Or, you know, no settlement, and not even a "sorry, oops" either.
- coldtea 9y ago
  That would be comforting if both (a) and (b) were true: (a) the world was only US citizens. (b) nothing unconstitutional ever happened to the first group.
danjoc 9y ago
> Customs can do that anyway if you have a password. Allow me to repeat myself, If you can't lock yourself out, it's not secure. For example, some banks have time locks. Nobody gets into the vault, unless it is in a certain window of time.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >If you can't lock yourself out, it's not secure. It's not secure if you can lock yourself out either. A court could hold you in contempt for failing to unlock or intently locking. And a state actor or even mugger could just hurt you or even kill you, in frustration if you don't open it for them.

mikeash 9y ago

That's why you temporarily disable biometric authentication before you go through customs. On iOS, this is as easy as turning the device off, and in iOS 11 it just takes five quick presses of the sleep button.

valuearb 9y ago

Biometric security mechanisms are the best security mechanisms. Because they fall in the category of "will be used" as opposed to perfect security, which almost always falls in the category "won't be used"