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I largely agree. However, I think it is important for regulations to generally (not always) be structured on a sliding scale that is directly related to compan

by kevmo 9y ago

I largely agree. However, I think it is important for regulations to generally (not always) be structured on a sliding scale that is directly related to company size, i.e. the bigger the business, the more regulations it becomes subject to. Otherwise, regulations become a cudgel with which small businesses are beaten down because only the big established players can afford to comply. In today's age of regulatory capture in the USA, we are seeing this play out. Industries have been consolidating, and the productivity gains therefrom are not being passed onto the consumer via price cuts.

CapitalistCartr 9y ago
I think complex, arcane regulation is a very bad sign, like spagetti code. Like code, regulation is, ideally, clear, transparent, at the lowest level of gov't. practical, and in plain language.
jacobush 9y ago
Easy one. Just outsource to smaller and smaller companies. It's turtles all the way down! Somewhere down there, sick leave and other frivolities start to look more and more quaint.
- kevmo 9y ago
  Yeah, I am just talking about how you start to generally approach the problem. Government is always going to be an ongoing, adaptive process with back-and-forth struggles and adjudication between interested parties. Maybe we'll evolve into a more inherently cooperative species in the future, but you're definitely right about what the first business response is. :)
wfo 9y ago
Actually small businesses (while they vary widely and many of them can be good) can be home to the worst kind of abuse. Small business owners can be absolutely monstrous tyrants to their employees. Have you ever met a waitress at a restaurant who hasn't been sexually harassed by her boss? I've met.. one? and I've met quite a few waitresses. She can't complain to HR, there is no HR, there are no policies, there is just the boss who will fire her (and maybe "forget" to send her her last paycheck, oops). Wage theft is rampant in small businesses that can go underwater and don't have a payroll department. Workers absolutely need help at small business, probably more help even than at large corporations.
- ericd 9y ago
  With small companies, it's much easier to hop to another small company than it is if you work at the only car plant in town. And I'm sure there are restaurant owners out there who aren't complete assholes.
  - wfo 9y ago
    Yes, you can hop from tyranny to tyranny until you find a dictator who will have mercy on you and not abuse you as much, losing your health insurance and livelihood with every hop, hoping you don't become homeless or destitute or get sick every time you are abused. And maybe, if you're lucky, there is a company in your area that does what you know how to do and is decent, and you haven't had your reputation as a "complainer" who dares challenges your boss spread around town. Alternately, we could institute worker protections and support unions (which are necessary to develop the political will to institute worker protections) so they all have to treat you decently and everyone who works hard for a living can have a humane reasonable life.
    - ericd 9y ago
      Sorry small businesses have apparently been so cruel to you, I've had great luck with them.
      - wfo 9y ago
        I've been lucky as well and all of my small business experience personally has been great (tech small businesses are pretty good on average, I think) but my point is that luck, by definition, doesn't happen to everybody and we shouldn't have to rely on it. "I got lucky therefore there is no problem" is not a reasonable position to take.
        ericd 9y ago
        When you say we shouldn't have to rely on luck, do you mean in terms of not being harassed, or more generally? Because if you mean more generally, I don't know how you do that without severely curtailing people's freedoms.

by kevmo 9y ago

CapitalistCartr 9y ago

I think complex, arcane regulation is a very bad sign, like spagetti code. Like code, regulation is, ideally, clear, transparent, at the lowest level of gov't. practical, and in plain language.

jacobush 9y ago

Easy one. Just outsource to smaller and smaller companies. It's turtles all the way down! Somewhere down there, sick leave and other frivolities start to look more and more quaint.

kevmo 9y ago
Yeah, I am just talking about how you start to generally approach the problem. Government is always going to be an ongoing, adaptive process with back-and-forth struggles and adjudication between interested parties. Maybe we'll evolve into a more inherently cooperative species in the future, but you're definitely right about what the first business response is. :)

wfo 9y ago

Actually small businesses (while they vary widely and many of them can be good) can be home to the worst kind of abuse. Small business owners can be absolutely monstrous tyrants to their employees. Have you ever met a waitress at a restaurant who hasn't been sexually harassed by her boss? I've met.. one? and I've met quite a few waitresses. She can't complain to HR, there is no HR, there are no policies, there is just the boss who will fire her (and maybe "forget" to send her her last paycheck, oops). Wage theft is rampant in small businesses that can go underwater and don't have a payroll department. Workers absolutely need help at small business, probably more help even than at large corporations.

ericd 9y ago
With small companies, it's much easier to hop to another small company than it is if you work at the only car plant in town. And I'm sure there are restaurant owners out there who aren't complete assholes.
- wfo 9y ago
  Yes, you can hop from tyranny to tyranny until you find a dictator who will have mercy on you and not abuse you as much, losing your health insurance and livelihood with every hop, hoping you don't become homeless or destitute or get sick every time you are abused. And maybe, if you're lucky, there is a company in your area that does what you know how to do and is decent, and you haven't had your reputation as a "complainer" who dares challenges your boss spread around town. Alternately, we could institute worker protections and support unions (which are necessary to develop the political will to institute worker protections) so they all have to treat you decently and everyone who works hard for a living can have a humane reasonable life.
  - ericd 9y ago
    Sorry small businesses have apparently been so cruel to you, I've had great luck with them.
    - wfo 9y ago
      I've been lucky as well and all of my small business experience personally has been great (tech small businesses are pretty good on average, I think) but my point is that luck, by definition, doesn't happen to everybody and we shouldn't have to rely on it. "I got lucky therefore there is no problem" is not a reasonable position to take.
      - ericd 9y ago
        When you say we shouldn't have to rely on luck, do you mean in terms of not being harassed, or more generally? Because if you mean more generally, I don't know how you do that without severely curtailing people's freedoms.