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> Have you ever thought that programmer pay is as high as it is because of the lack of those protections? It's not. Union members earn more than their non-unio
by spamizbad 9y ago
> Have you ever thought that programmer pay is as high as it is because of the lack of those protections?
It's not. Union members earn more than their non-union counterparts in nearly all instances. Source: https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/04/art2full.pdf https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/04/art2full.pdf
But I'd go further and say what constitutes "high" is subjective.
If you look at it in terms of median household/income distribution then yes, you could certainly make the case it's high.
But, when you consider the amount of value a developer creates compared to their salary, their pay may seem quite low. Facebook, for example, returns $188,000 profit per employee (https://www.recode.net/2017/8/4/16090758/facebook-google-profit-per-employee-comparison-chart https://www.recode.net/2017/8/4/16090758/facebook-google-pro...).
- brightball 9y agoI'm not arguing that on-average union workers don't make more, only that we're in a high demand and fast-moving field with rampant innovation. How much innovation happens in unionized fields? How much work did Uber have to do to essentially go full on rogue to get around the system built up by taxi unions? How much union work ends up getting either automated or outsourced to countries without union workers? Do lost jobs count against that average pay stat? Look at the hoops that Tesla has had to jump through just to sell cars to you directly? Those local car dealers...that's a sales union. I mean, the National Labor Relations Board gets called in when Boeing wants to open a plant in the south east. We're not even talking off-shoring or cutting jobs. Unions, like anything, have cyclical benefits. There are times when they make sense. There are others when they don't.
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