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Disappointed this list doesn't include Matrix/Riot as an alternative to Hangouts/Allo. Also there are many Google Drive alternatives including Syncthing (p2p),

Disappointed this list doesn't include Matrix/Riot as an alternative to Hangouts/Allo. Also there are many Google Drive alternatives including Syncthing (p2p), Dropbox, Nextcloud/Owncloud (selfhosted), Sugarsync, SpiderOak, etc.

ekianjo 9y ago
Disappointed it does not mention people should NOT be using Chromebooks either. It's become quite prevalent these days.
- tyingq 9y ago
  If you're buying a Chromebook because of the low price point, there is a way out. Many (not all) of them can be reflashed with a ROM that allows for a mainstream Linux distro to be installed. https://johnlewis.ie/custom-chromebook-firmware/rom-download/ https://johnlewis.ie/custom-chromebook-firmware/rom-download...
  - bgrohman 9y ago
    What about the chroot/Crouton route?
    - tyingq 9y ago
      Crouton leaves ChromeOS in place and running, so I assumed it was out of place for this discussion. I don't know how much the chroot does to mitigate that. I assume, for example, it's still Google's kernel in place?
      - bgrohman 9y ago
        Yes, it's still using the same kernel.
- tortasaur 9y ago
  People shouldn't use ChromeOS, but Chromebooks are fine.
  - jhasse 9y ago
    Buying a Chromebook still results in advertisement, money and power for Google.
    - tortasaur 9y ago
      Money: I really doubt Google profits off the hardware sales at the price points they go for (I'd guess they recoup their costs with ChromeOS), but even if they do that's fine. I'm okay with paying a company for hardware. Advertising: Strip off the ChromeOS logo or cover it with an EFF or FSF sticker. Power: Not really giving them any power simply by using their hardware with a Linux distro.
      - jhasse 9y ago
        Someone asks you "What device it that?" - "A Chromebook" - "Ah nice, I heard they are good!" - "But I've removed the operating system, replaced the logo and don't use any Google services!" - "Yeah, whatever." The next day: He buys a Chromebook and uses it with ChromeOS and without a sticker.
        tortasaur 9y ago
        That's a ridiculous hypothetical with many opportunities to avoid the unlikely conclusion. If you wanted, you could just say it's "an Acer" or "an Asus", and mention GalliumOS in the same breath.
        jhasse 9y ago
        Okay you're right. Still buying a Chromebook increases its sail numbers which does mean advertisement.

ekianjo 9y ago

Disappointed it does not mention people should NOT be using Chromebooks either. It's become quite prevalent these days.

tyingq 9y ago
If you're buying a Chromebook because of the low price point, there is a way out. Many (not all) of them can be reflashed with a ROM that allows for a mainstream Linux distro to be installed. https://johnlewis.ie/custom-chromebook-firmware/rom-download/ https://johnlewis.ie/custom-chromebook-firmware/rom-download...
- bgrohman 9y ago
  What about the chroot/Crouton route?
  - tyingq 9y ago
    Crouton leaves ChromeOS in place and running, so I assumed it was out of place for this discussion. I don't know how much the chroot does to mitigate that. I assume, for example, it's still Google's kernel in place?
    - bgrohman 9y ago
      Yes, it's still using the same kernel.
tortasaur 9y ago
People shouldn't use ChromeOS, but Chromebooks are fine.
- jhasse 9y ago
  Buying a Chromebook still results in advertisement, money and power for Google.
  - tortasaur 9y ago
    Money: I really doubt Google profits off the hardware sales at the price points they go for (I'd guess they recoup their costs with ChromeOS), but even if they do that's fine. I'm okay with paying a company for hardware. Advertising: Strip off the ChromeOS logo or cover it with an EFF or FSF sticker. Power: Not really giving them any power simply by using their hardware with a Linux distro.
    - jhasse 9y ago
      Someone asks you "What device it that?" - "A Chromebook" - "Ah nice, I heard they are good!" - "But I've removed the operating system, replaced the logo and don't use any Google services!" - "Yeah, whatever." The next day: He buys a Chromebook and uses it with ChromeOS and without a sticker.
      - tortasaur 9y ago
        That's a ridiculous hypothetical with many opportunities to avoid the unlikely conclusion. If you wanted, you could just say it's "an Acer" or "an Asus", and mention GalliumOS in the same breath.
        jhasse 9y ago
        Okay you're right. Still buying a Chromebook increases its sail numbers which does mean advertisement.