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actively resists any data collection What an overly dramatic way to restate that these orgs are anonymous. collective refusal to take the problem of addiction
by kirse 9y ago
actively resists any data collection
What an overly dramatic way to restate that these orgs are anonymous.
collective refusal to take the problem of addiction seriously
Incorrect. The church, particularly Jesus, does take it seriously. Addictive and destructive behavior patterns are called sin, but because this "progressive" society continues to water down right vs. wrong and tread down a path of moral relativism (that's just like your opinion, man!), it has reaped exactly what it has sown - a lukewarm and ineffectual stance towards active repentance from sin, including the desire to help others in that process.
What have you personally been doing to take things more seriously?
- krastanov 9y agoMy understanding is that Jesus suggested helping sinners stop being sinners, not shaming them for being sinners. And "progressive" society is all about that - helping those that have failed. Evaluating the performance of our current approach is very much "taking it seriously". This is what the OP is suggesting.
- newsmania 9y agoI don't think he's advocating shaming people with problems. I think he's just pointing out that the way our culture acts like obvious sin is hunky dory is a real problem.
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- newsmania 9y agoThanks, glad to see someone stand up for Jesus on HN. People act like religion is stupid here, but you make a great point to the contrary. If everything truly is relative and all that matters is what you want, why is opioid addiction a problem if that's what you want? There is good and there is evil. The attempt to deny it, as you correctly say, causes huge problems. Like how we tell school children that they are no more than evolved animals, then wonder about why they go shooting people then take their own life.
- Karunamon 9y agoSlight issue: I don’t think opioid addicts want to be addicts. When an externally introduced chemical is hijacking your neurochemistry and making you feel some of the worst pain imaginable when it’s not there anymore, wanting the pain to stop is the most natural desire - it just happens that more of the chemical is the fastest way to do so. There’s also the fact that it’s objectively destructive, simultaneously to society, personal relationships, and the addict. No need to even invoke philosophical good and evil there. And I say this as a religious person myself.