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It's a fascinating topic, really. It's almost like "women in tech", just for men in "teaching". Yet, the discussion is framed entirely differently and the reaso

by zo1 9y ago

It's a fascinating topic, really. It's almost like "women in tech", just for men in "teaching". Yet, the discussion is framed entirely differently and the reasons for its existence are somehow perfectly valid, items that "women in tech" advocates would not consider conceding/admitting for their own cause. Because that would run contrary to "structural oppression" by the males reason.

watwut 9y ago
Well, arguing that higher salaries in tech would attract more women is ridiculous, mainly because salaries are high already. Arguing that women in tech are suspect sexual predators would be absurd. The social bs (beers and games up etc) are not mentioned in case of techers, because teachers are not expected to socialize with each other as much as techies are. Then there are other cultural reasons that seems to be sa me in both cases - role models and societal idea of what is appropriate for males and females. The sexism in the assumption that gender x is less qualify is stated in both cases. It seems to be roughly the same except completely unapplicable arguments?
- solidsnack9000 9y ago
  Well, arguing that higher salaries in tech would attract more women is ridiculous, mainly because salaries are high already. The argument we do see is that the long hours, lack of leave and lack of flexibility disproportionately affect women.
- belorn 9y ago
  > The social bs (beers and games up etc) are not mentioned in case of techers, because teachers are not expected to socialize with each other You would be surprised then how common it is that men cite work culture issues when leaving the teaching profession. It is mentioned in the government report that I mentioned in a other comment. Imagine a profession with incorporate gender identity into the work culture, and try to see what form of social BS it will produce for both men and women. Which one will would include beers and games?

by zo1 9y ago

watwut 9y ago

Well, arguing that higher salaries in tech would attract more women is ridiculous, mainly because salaries are high already. Arguing that women in tech are suspect sexual predators would be absurd. The social bs (beers and games up etc) are not mentioned in case of techers, because teachers are not expected to socialize with each other as much as techies are. Then there are other cultural reasons that seems to be sa me in both cases - role models and societal idea of what is appropriate for males and females. The sexism in the assumption that gender x is less qualify is stated in both cases. It seems to be roughly the same except completely unapplicable arguments?

solidsnack9000 9y ago
Well, arguing that higher salaries in tech would attract more women is ridiculous, mainly because salaries are high already. The argument we do see is that the long hours, lack of leave and lack of flexibility disproportionately affect women.
belorn 9y ago
> The social bs (beers and games up etc) are not mentioned in case of techers, because teachers are not expected to socialize with each other You would be surprised then how common it is that men cite work culture issues when leaving the teaching profession. It is mentioned in the government report that I mentioned in a other comment. Imagine a profession with incorporate gender identity into the work culture, and try to see what form of social BS it will produce for both men and women. Which one will would include beers and games?