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It sounds goofy, but this strikes me as really clever. Compared to almost anything else with self driving cars adding a few indicators to outwardly show what it

It sounds goofy, but this strikes me as really clever. Compared to almost anything else with self driving cars adding a few indicators to outwardly show what it's going to do next (for pedestrians and other drivers) is a huge win. There is a fair amount of waving for someone else to go first at a turn, seeing if a driver is distracted (on their phone) at a stop, making eye contact while using a cross walk etc that gets lost with SDVs. Also, I really feel like they stole this idea from Raid 2 https://youtu.be/ErrRhXItBWc?t=118 https://youtu.be/ErrRhXItBWc?t=118

daveguy 9y ago
Or this drive thru prank a year earlier: https://youtu.be/xVrJ8DxECbg https://youtu.be/xVrJ8DxECbg I'm sure it had probably been done before that too. :) Even better when you "put a robot in the driver's seat": https://youtu.be/CdggQr05LAA https://youtu.be/CdggQr05LAA
- gizmo385 9y ago
  Thank you so much for this. Because of you I'm laughing uncontrollably in my cube at work now.
- mmirate 9y ago
  sigh this isn't Reddit...
- lynnetye 9y ago
  these are gold. thank you for the laughs.
dsfyu404ed 9y ago
The slow "laptop in sleep mode" blink would be perfect for "I'm oblivious to the fact that I'm impeding traffic".
agumonkey 9y ago
* SPOILER * That's how they made Knight Rider "driverless" scenes (http://www.knightriderarchives.com/knight_rider/season_one/give_me_liberty_or_give_me_death/nitpicks/images/04238.jpg http://www.knightriderarchives.com/knight_rider/season_one/g... <= can't find a clear shot, but if you find episodes online, it's pretty easy to see the double depth seat and raised up armrests)
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- oaktowner 9y ago
  How did I go through life without knowing that?
  - ForFreedom 9y ago
    You are not alone & I am with you
- ForFreedom 9y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DimUujL5wM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DimUujL5wM The guy who was hidden in the seat https://youtu.be/nfd3vWrQhS8?t=166 https://youtu.be/nfd3vWrQhS8?t=166 Here you can see the hands moving down https://youtu.be/nfd3vWrQhS8?t=183 https://youtu.be/nfd3vWrQhS8?t=183
stcredzero 9y ago
It sounds goofy, but this strikes me as really clever. Didn't the Top Gear / Grand Tour guys jokingly propose to do this?
- SimbaOnSteroids 9y ago
  Black Mirror had an episode where this went horribly wrong.
sailfast 9y ago
* SPOILER * And Sherlock.
- mmirate 9y ago
  "Spoiler"? Oh, please, that one gets solved barely halfway through the episode.
cpv 9y ago
I can't recall properly where I read it, but some time ago there was an idea to have stop signals also in front of the car, so the pedestrians would know if the driver/car is stopping. There are also pedestrians who can take into account if the car is turning (obviously by watching the turning lights). A self-driving car should have some reactions to people around it, so people could also respond properly to its actions, or know its intentions. There was a comment about an empty electric car near the intersection, staying still, and people around it can't tell if the car is parked, waiting, etc.
- icc97 9y ago
  That seems a marvelously simple idea! People understand what brake lights are and it's relatively simple to see the car slowing down that corresponds with the lights. Then assuming the driver doesn't use the hand brake then it should be obvious that the car is starting again when the brake lights go out. All this flickering of lights seems way too complex
- emj 9y ago
  That won't work you can never know if the driver sees you or other cars, this is actually a very common problem at intersections. Drivers look for cars and slow down, people walk/bicycle over thinking the driver has seen them. This is how people die at intersections.
gambiting 9y ago
I don't mean to be offensive, but can someone please explain to me how the Stop signs work in US? Am I correct to understand that whoever arrived at the stop sign first goes first, regardless of where they are going? Is this considered a good system? In EU you have strictly defined priority at stop signs - put simply, if you are going straight you have priority over someone turning, if you are turning, then the person turning right has priority over someone turning left. Simple as that. I'm just thinking in context of automatic vehicles a strictly defined priority rules are easier to follow, no?
- kgwgk 9y ago
  > In EU you have strictly defined priority at stop signs Have you ever seen a 4-way stop in Europe? I think what you try to explain is the rule for unmarked intersections. > put simply, if you are going straight you have priority over someone turning, if you are turning, then the person turning right has priority over someone turning left. Simple as that. That wouldn't work very well when people go straight in different directions...
  - gambiting 9y ago
    >>Have you ever seen a 4-way stop in Europe? I have actually. >>That wouldn't work very well when people go straight in different directions... Yes, I forgot to mention the "right hand principle" - in this case, whoever is on your right has priority over you. So if you are going straight, and the guy to your right is going straight, he has priority. The only situation where it doesn't work and leads to a deadlock is if you have a 4-way(or 3 way) intersection with equal-priority roads and everyone wants to go straight. Then it sort of reverts to this "whoever goes first wins" strategy - but that's incredibly rare and seeing roads with equal priority meet in this fashion is unusual.
  - yorwba 9y ago
    > That wouldn't work very well when people go straight in different directions... That was actually used in my parallel-programming course as the example of a deadlock caused by priority inversion. Of course it almost never happens that there are cars in all four directions at an intersection without traffic lights, so it isn't much of a problem in practice.
KozmoNau7 9y ago
"waving for someone else to go first at a turn" Ever since I heard of people getting blame for accidents, since they were effectively directing traffic (which only the police are allowed to do here), I've stopped waving people to go ahead and similar gestures, instead I'll give them space and wait for them to act of their own accord. I've also stopped acting on other people's waves and gestures, I check for myself that everything is clear before I proceed. Luckily I haven't witnessed an accident like this myself, but I know of people who've been T-boned on multi-lane streets because they were waved ahead by a guy in one lane, but someone came in another lane and couldn't see the turning car.
- Joe-Z 9y ago
  This annoys me too most of the time. Being in traffic is not the time to play Mr. Friendly, it's the time to follow the rules and thus behave predictably for the other drivers.
- Chris2048 9y ago
  It's well known - a driver can only account for themselves, not you (or the environment). As such, a driver that waves you on can only be trusted as saying "I will wait" but not "you are clear to go", you have to always verify this for yourself.

daveguy 9y ago

Or this drive thru prank a year earlier: https://youtu.be/xVrJ8DxECbg https://youtu.be/xVrJ8DxECbg I'm sure it had probably been done before that too. :) Even better when you "put a robot in the driver's seat": https://youtu.be/CdggQr05LAA https://youtu.be/CdggQr05LAA

gizmo385 9y ago
Thank you so much for this. Because of you I'm laughing uncontrollably in my cube at work now.
mmirate 9y ago
sigh this isn't Reddit...
lynnetye 9y ago
these are gold. thank you for the laughs.

dsfyu404ed 9y ago

The slow "laptop in sleep mode" blink would be perfect for "I'm oblivious to the fact that I'm impeding traffic".

agumonkey 9y ago

* SPOILER * That's how they made Knight Rider "driverless" scenes (http://www.knightriderarchives.com/knight_rider/season_one/give_me_liberty_or_give_me_death/nitpicks/images/04238.jpg http://www.knightriderarchives.com/knight_rider/season_one/g... <= can't find a clear shot, but if you find episodes online, it's pretty easy to see the double depth seat and raised up armrests)

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oaktowner 9y ago
How did I go through life without knowing that?
- ForFreedom 9y ago
  You are not alone & I am with you
ForFreedom 9y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DimUujL5wM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DimUujL5wM The guy who was hidden in the seat https://youtu.be/nfd3vWrQhS8?t=166 https://youtu.be/nfd3vWrQhS8?t=166 Here you can see the hands moving down https://youtu.be/nfd3vWrQhS8?t=183 https://youtu.be/nfd3vWrQhS8?t=183

stcredzero 9y ago

It sounds goofy, but this strikes me as really clever. Didn't the Top Gear / Grand Tour guys jokingly propose to do this?

SimbaOnSteroids 9y ago
Black Mirror had an episode where this went horribly wrong.

sailfast 9y ago

* SPOILER * And Sherlock.

mmirate 9y ago
"Spoiler"? Oh, please, that one gets solved barely halfway through the episode.

cpv 9y ago

I can't recall properly where I read it, but some time ago there was an idea to have stop signals also in front of the car, so the pedestrians would know if the driver/car is stopping. There are also pedestrians who can take into account if the car is turning (obviously by watching the turning lights). A self-driving car should have some reactions to people around it, so people could also respond properly to its actions, or know its intentions. There was a comment about an empty electric car near the intersection, staying still, and people around it can't tell if the car is parked, waiting, etc.

icc97 9y ago
That seems a marvelously simple idea! People understand what brake lights are and it's relatively simple to see the car slowing down that corresponds with the lights. Then assuming the driver doesn't use the hand brake then it should be obvious that the car is starting again when the brake lights go out. All this flickering of lights seems way too complex
emj 9y ago
That won't work you can never know if the driver sees you or other cars, this is actually a very common problem at intersections. Drivers look for cars and slow down, people walk/bicycle over thinking the driver has seen them. This is how people die at intersections.

gambiting 9y ago

I don't mean to be offensive, but can someone please explain to me how the Stop signs work in US? Am I correct to understand that whoever arrived at the stop sign first goes first, regardless of where they are going? Is this considered a good system? In EU you have strictly defined priority at stop signs - put simply, if you are going straight you have priority over someone turning, if you are turning, then the person turning right has priority over someone turning left. Simple as that. I'm just thinking in context of automatic vehicles a strictly defined priority rules are easier to follow, no?

kgwgk 9y ago
> In EU you have strictly defined priority at stop signs Have you ever seen a 4-way stop in Europe? I think what you try to explain is the rule for unmarked intersections. > put simply, if you are going straight you have priority over someone turning, if you are turning, then the person turning right has priority over someone turning left. Simple as that. That wouldn't work very well when people go straight in different directions...
- gambiting 9y ago
  >>Have you ever seen a 4-way stop in Europe? I have actually. >>That wouldn't work very well when people go straight in different directions... Yes, I forgot to mention the "right hand principle" - in this case, whoever is on your right has priority over you. So if you are going straight, and the guy to your right is going straight, he has priority. The only situation where it doesn't work and leads to a deadlock is if you have a 4-way(or 3 way) intersection with equal-priority roads and everyone wants to go straight. Then it sort of reverts to this "whoever goes first wins" strategy - but that's incredibly rare and seeing roads with equal priority meet in this fashion is unusual.
- yorwba 9y ago
  > That wouldn't work very well when people go straight in different directions... That was actually used in my parallel-programming course as the example of a deadlock caused by priority inversion. Of course it almost never happens that there are cars in all four directions at an intersection without traffic lights, so it isn't much of a problem in practice.

KozmoNau7 9y ago

"waving for someone else to go first at a turn" Ever since I heard of people getting blame for accidents, since they were effectively directing traffic (which only the police are allowed to do here), I've stopped waving people to go ahead and similar gestures, instead I'll give them space and wait for them to act of their own accord. I've also stopped acting on other people's waves and gestures, I check for myself that everything is clear before I proceed. Luckily I haven't witnessed an accident like this myself, but I know of people who've been T-boned on multi-lane streets because they were waved ahead by a guy in one lane, but someone came in another lane and couldn't see the turning car.

Joe-Z 9y ago
This annoys me too most of the time. Being in traffic is not the time to play Mr. Friendly, it's the time to follow the rules and thus behave predictably for the other drivers.
Chris2048 9y ago
It's well known - a driver can only account for themselves, not you (or the environment). As such, a driver that waves you on can only be trusted as saying "I will wait" but not "you are clear to go", you have to always verify this for yourself.