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Not sure if you actually think this is only one side doing this, but just substitute "hitler" for "communist" from the right, with the same fears and motivation

by nrb 9y ago

Not sure if you actually think this is only one side doing this, but just substitute "hitler" for "communist" from the right, with the same fears and motivations. There's no excusing either, but let's discuss this with some intellectual honesty.

inthon4lyfe 9y ago
"intellectual honesty" in this case being "make sure to shit on the right while you point out the foibles of the left, or i might end up reflecting on how i'm playing a pointless, unwinnable game of 'tit for tat' like the hatfields and mccoys"
creaghpatr 9y ago
Communists don't get banned from the internet so far- nazis do.
- enraged_camel 9y ago
  You can absolutely get banned from right-wing forums for being even slightly liberal (aka "communist"). You only have to look at The_Donald to see this in action everyday.
  - soylentcola 9y ago
    Sure, but as the article points out, it's one thing to be banned or blocked from posting on a particular website or other internet-based service. It's another to be (de facto) blocked from posting on any site/service or even creating your own. It's an interesting point because while I have no sympathy for the Stormer folks who were effectively shut down themselves, it certainly provides a good illustration of how losing access to DDoS protection and similar services can all but completely remove your ability to engage in organized, internet-based "speech".
  - daxorid 9y ago
    GP mentioned being banned from the internet, not from a forum. Name a single Communist who got their domain name permanently clientHolded by every Registrar attempted, or their Hosting, DNS, DDoS mitigation services denied by every provider attempted. Reality is that Communists don't face anywhere near as much platform denial or employment insecurity as Fascists do. Not even close, despite the significantly more horrific body count of Communists in the 20th century.
    - enraged_camel 9y ago
      In the West, communists don't have to worry about being banned from the internet because, at least to my knowledge, they don't believe in racial supremacy and support systemic extermination of other races. Unlike, you know, Nazis. It is interesting you bring up the higher body count of Communists in the 20th century. The only reason Nazis didn't get to exterminate more people is because America entered the war and the Allies won as a result. Make no mistake though: if Germany had won, Hitler would have moved on to people of other races. After all, he believed the Aryan race to be far superior to others, including non-German whites.
- Yetanfou 9y ago
  That's what "communists" (for lack of a better word, from AFA syndicalists to traditional Leninist-Marxists to Maoists to whathaveyounotists) don't seem to understand: while they're doing their best to get "nazis" banned from the 'net by all sort of tricks, they're building the framework for their own eventual ban. The divisiveness of their own doctrine more or less ensures that one day they'll all end up on the "oppressor" side and as such can be banned, just like white male homosexuals are now getting banned from some LGBT[a-z0-9] groups because they are supposedly "part of the problem".

by nrb 9y ago

inthon4lyfe 9y ago

"intellectual honesty" in this case being "make sure to shit on the right while you point out the foibles of the left, or i might end up reflecting on how i'm playing a pointless, unwinnable game of 'tit for tat' like the hatfields and mccoys"

creaghpatr 9y ago

Communists don't get banned from the internet so far- nazis do.

enraged_camel 9y ago
You can absolutely get banned from right-wing forums for being even slightly liberal (aka "communist"). You only have to look at The_Donald to see this in action everyday.
- soylentcola 9y ago
  Sure, but as the article points out, it's one thing to be banned or blocked from posting on a particular website or other internet-based service. It's another to be (de facto) blocked from posting on any site/service or even creating your own. It's an interesting point because while I have no sympathy for the Stormer folks who were effectively shut down themselves, it certainly provides a good illustration of how losing access to DDoS protection and similar services can all but completely remove your ability to engage in organized, internet-based "speech".
- daxorid 9y ago
  GP mentioned being banned from the internet, not from a forum. Name a single Communist who got their domain name permanently clientHolded by every Registrar attempted, or their Hosting, DNS, DDoS mitigation services denied by every provider attempted. Reality is that Communists don't face anywhere near as much platform denial or employment insecurity as Fascists do. Not even close, despite the significantly more horrific body count of Communists in the 20th century.
  - enraged_camel 9y ago
    In the West, communists don't have to worry about being banned from the internet because, at least to my knowledge, they don't believe in racial supremacy and support systemic extermination of other races. Unlike, you know, Nazis. It is interesting you bring up the higher body count of Communists in the 20th century. The only reason Nazis didn't get to exterminate more people is because America entered the war and the Allies won as a result. Make no mistake though: if Germany had won, Hitler would have moved on to people of other races. After all, he believed the Aryan race to be far superior to others, including non-German whites.
Yetanfou 9y ago
That's what "communists" (for lack of a better word, from AFA syndicalists to traditional Leninist-Marxists to Maoists to whathaveyounotists) don't seem to understand: while they're doing their best to get "nazis" banned from the 'net by all sort of tricks, they're building the framework for their own eventual ban. The divisiveness of their own doctrine more or less ensures that one day they'll all end up on the "oppressor" side and as such can be banned, just like white male homosexuals are now getting banned from some LGBT[a-z0-9] groups because they are supposedly "part of the problem".