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What would you use to provide a single endpoint to multiple instances of an app server?

fulafel 9y ago
What about just exposing the multiple instances of app server, and have the frontend code select one for load balancing or failover purpouses? There could be a load balancing config read by the client, or you can have static rules in the frontend js, like choosing shard number based on a hash from the client ip address. Round-robin DNS might also work or complement this.
- manigandham 9y ago
  So you're answer to not using a reverse proxy is to fake your own via client-side logic? It's far better to have a tested, reliable, dynamic, and scalable solution right next to the actual app servers instead. Almost everything on the internet is behind layers of proxies, it's not a bad thing and isn't much cause for concern.
  - fulafel 9y ago
    I think your viewpoint might be somewhat inflexible if routing logic in the client & server looks like "faking a reverse proxy" to you. That's where the rest of the logic is, after all, and when designing systems we generally prefer to have the logic in fewer places. It's a proven design rule (the end-to-end principle) to prefer the smarts at the edges of your system, and the problems stemming from the reverse proxy described in the article, in my book, counts as further evidence for this idea.
    - manigandham 9y ago
      > prefer the smarts at the edges of your system That's exactly what reverse proxies do - leaving the internal apps free to just serve requests instead of worrying about the perimeter. The problems described in this article have nothing to do with reverse proxies but rather the ingress controller and config settings.
      - fulafel 9y ago
        Reverse proxies making routing decisions based on request content and making server load balancing decisions is putting policy in the middle.
endorphone 9y ago
There are scenarios where your app servers might be varied as well -- I've leveraged reverse proxies in front of a PHP application that had parts in .NET and parts in Go, for instance. Technologies/competencies change as projects evolve, and being able to effortlessly reorganized and reroute is so profoundly powerful.
- fulafel 9y ago
  Sure, I'm symphatetic to this kind of "in the trenches" application of reverse proxies - just not doing it by default.

What about just exposing the multiple instances of app server, and have the frontend code select one for load balancing or failover purpouses? There could be a load balancing config read by the client, or you can have static rules in the frontend js, like choosing shard number based on a hash from the client ip address. Round-robin DNS might also work or complement this.

manigandham 9y ago
So you're answer to not using a reverse proxy is to fake your own via client-side logic? It's far better to have a tested, reliable, dynamic, and scalable solution right next to the actual app servers instead. Almost everything on the internet is behind layers of proxies, it's not a bad thing and isn't much cause for concern.
- fulafel 9y ago
  I think your viewpoint might be somewhat inflexible if routing logic in the client & server looks like "faking a reverse proxy" to you. That's where the rest of the logic is, after all, and when designing systems we generally prefer to have the logic in fewer places. It's a proven design rule (the end-to-end principle) to prefer the smarts at the edges of your system, and the problems stemming from the reverse proxy described in the article, in my book, counts as further evidence for this idea.
  - manigandham 9y ago
    > prefer the smarts at the edges of your system That's exactly what reverse proxies do - leaving the internal apps free to just serve requests instead of worrying about the perimeter. The problems described in this article have nothing to do with reverse proxies but rather the ingress controller and config settings.
    - fulafel 9y ago
      Reverse proxies making routing decisions based on request content and making server load balancing decisions is putting policy in the middle.

endorphone 9y ago

There are scenarios where your app servers might be varied as well -- I've leveraged reverse proxies in front of a PHP application that had parts in .NET and parts in Go, for instance. Technologies/competencies change as projects evolve, and being able to effortlessly reorganized and reroute is so profoundly powerful.

fulafel 9y ago
Sure, I'm symphatetic to this kind of "in the trenches" application of reverse proxies - just not doing it by default.