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> There is no 'war' between Science and Religion. I agree. But there seems to be a war on science by religious fanatics.

by macns 9y ago

owebmaster 9y ago
And a war on religion by science fanatics. Science is already a religion, if you ask me. There are even a lot of Messiahs: Newton, Einstein, Tesla. But also a lot of oil snake salesmen.
- beojan 9y ago
  Atheistic (or better, anti-theistic) fanatics, not science fanatics.
- AnimalMuppet 9y ago
  I would say that the war is between religion and philosophic materialism (or physicalism, if you prefer). Materialism is the dominant mental framework among scientists, but it is a philosophical position, not a scientific one. ("The physical universe is all that exists" is not scientifically provable, even in principle.)
humanrebar 9y ago
There is a war on science from fundamentalists, sure, but it's not limited to theists. Was Damore a religious fanatic? He was engaging in a rational, scientific discussion (merits of the attempt aside, that was the stated goal). What about anti-vaccine people? What about there-is-no-good-GMO people? I think it's inconsistent at best to think the biggest enemy of science is religious fanatics. In fact, the biggest enemy of science these days is bad science. Lack of replicated results, for example.
- urahara 9y ago
  All 'anti-vaccine' and 'damorish' types I met were undereducated in one way or another. Not necessarily in terms of university education, often it was some gap in basic self-education resulting in the lack of quality reasoning or soft skills or breadth of knowledge. On the side of an average person, there are many other enemies of science like absence of intellectual honesty, sincere pursuit of truth and ability to work towards it (often combined).
  - humanrebar 9y ago
    > All 'anti-vaccine' and 'damorish' types I met were undereducated in one way or another. I wasn't saying Damore was right. I was saying people who failed to respond in rational, scientific ways were being basically anti-science.
- macns 9y ago
  > I think it's inconsistent at best to think the biggest enemy of science is religious fanatics. In fact, the biggest enemy of science these days is bad science. Lack of replicated results, for example. Good point on "enemies of science". Note though, the quote there seems to be a war on science by religious fanatics is different than science's biggest enemy is religious fanatics. The second one complements the grandparent's view on war between science and religion which implies that there is some sort of common ground between the two; there isn't any.

> There is no 'war' between Science and Religion. I agree. But there seems to be a war on science by religious fanatics.

by macns 9y ago

> There is no 'war' between Science and Religion. I agree. But there seems to be a war on science by religious fanatics.

owebmaster 9y ago

And a war on religion by science fanatics. Science is already a religion, if you ask me. There are even a lot of Messiahs: Newton, Einstein, Tesla. But also a lot of oil snake salesmen.

beojan 9y ago
Atheistic (or better, anti-theistic) fanatics, not science fanatics.
AnimalMuppet 9y ago
I would say that the war is between religion and philosophic materialism (or physicalism, if you prefer). Materialism is the dominant mental framework among scientists, but it is a philosophical position, not a scientific one. ("The physical universe is all that exists" is not scientifically provable, even in principle.)

humanrebar 9y ago

There is a war on science from fundamentalists, sure, but it's not limited to theists. Was Damore a religious fanatic? He was engaging in a rational, scientific discussion (merits of the attempt aside, that was the stated goal). What about anti-vaccine people? What about there-is-no-good-GMO people? I think it's inconsistent at best to think the biggest enemy of science is religious fanatics. In fact, the biggest enemy of science these days is bad science. Lack of replicated results, for example.

urahara 9y ago
All 'anti-vaccine' and 'damorish' types I met were undereducated in one way or another. Not necessarily in terms of university education, often it was some gap in basic self-education resulting in the lack of quality reasoning or soft skills or breadth of knowledge. On the side of an average person, there are many other enemies of science like absence of intellectual honesty, sincere pursuit of truth and ability to work towards it (often combined).
- humanrebar 9y ago
  > All 'anti-vaccine' and 'damorish' types I met were undereducated in one way or another. I wasn't saying Damore was right. I was saying people who failed to respond in rational, scientific ways were being basically anti-science.
macns 9y ago
> I think it's inconsistent at best to think the biggest enemy of science is religious fanatics. In fact, the biggest enemy of science these days is bad science. Lack of replicated results, for example. Good point on "enemies of science". Note though, the quote there seems to be a war on science by religious fanatics is different than science's biggest enemy is religious fanatics. The second one complements the grandparent's view on war between science and religion which implies that there is some sort of common ground between the two; there isn't any.