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I think the international community should implement tech export limitations already at this stage, rather then ten years down the line when they have completel

I think the international community should implement tech export limitations already at this stage, rather then ten years down the line when they have completely cemented their dictatorship.

misja111 9y ago
I like Erdogan as little as you do, but he is not a dictator; he has been democratically elected and enjoys a lot of support from most of the Turkish population. Which makes it a bit odd to impose sanctions on Turkey; should we impose sanctions on people because of the laws that they (indirectly) have chosen for themselves?
- johansch 9y ago
  Well, in a word, yeah. It's clear where they are headed towards, the next six months may be the last chance to change this. The most critical contracts are these two (number three is state-owned): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_the_Middle_East_and_Africa#Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operato...
  - johansch 9y ago
    1. Turkcell - primarily TeliaSonia (Sweden :/ ) 2. Vodafone (100% Vodafone)
- rebuilder 9y ago
  Depends on the laws. If a country's laws contravene e.g. international human rights treaties, that potentially seems like solid grounds for sanctions.
  - 21 9y ago
    Before we get to Turkey there are other much more outrageous human rights violators. For example Saudi Arabia, where if you say that you are atheist you are punishable by death and will be. But instead of sanctions, US, UK, France and others do multi-billion arms deals with them. "In March 2014, the Saudi interior ministry issued a royal decree branding all atheists as terrorists"
    - dogma1138 9y ago
      Here is where you are wrong. Turkey is arguably more important geopolitically especially at this tense time in regards to Russia. They have a large and growing economy which isn't tied to a single resource. They have a very large and capable army and are a NATO memeber. They are still not beyond the point of no return which a large portion of their population being compatible with western liberal values. Turkey is a country which you can actually help, Saudi Arabia is pretty much the opposite.
- Limeray 9y ago
  Sorry to be that guy, but that sounds exactly like some German nationalist who was elected in 1933.

I think the international community should implement tech export limitations already at this stage, rather then ten years down the line when they have completely cemented their dictatorship.

misja111 9y ago

I like Erdogan as little as you do, but he is not a dictator; he has been democratically elected and enjoys a lot of support from most of the Turkish population. Which makes it a bit odd to impose sanctions on Turkey; should we impose sanctions on people because of the laws that they (indirectly) have chosen for themselves?

johansch 9y ago
Well, in a word, yeah. It's clear where they are headed towards, the next six months may be the last chance to change this. The most critical contracts are these two (number three is state-owned): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_the_Middle_East_and_Africa#Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operato...
- johansch 9y ago
  1. Turkcell - primarily TeliaSonia (Sweden :/ ) 2. Vodafone (100% Vodafone)
rebuilder 9y ago
Depends on the laws. If a country's laws contravene e.g. international human rights treaties, that potentially seems like solid grounds for sanctions.
- 21 9y ago
  Before we get to Turkey there are other much more outrageous human rights violators. For example Saudi Arabia, where if you say that you are atheist you are punishable by death and will be. But instead of sanctions, US, UK, France and others do multi-billion arms deals with them. "In March 2014, the Saudi interior ministry issued a royal decree branding all atheists as terrorists"
  - dogma1138 9y ago
    Here is where you are wrong. Turkey is arguably more important geopolitically especially at this tense time in regards to Russia. They have a large and growing economy which isn't tied to a single resource. They have a very large and capable army and are a NATO memeber. They are still not beyond the point of no return which a large portion of their population being compatible with western liberal values. Turkey is a country which you can actually help, Saudi Arabia is pretty much the opposite.
Limeray 9y ago
Sorry to be that guy, but that sounds exactly like some German nationalist who was elected in 1933.