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but when will turks "fight back" rather than continuing to suffer under a petty dictator who arrests them for their app use?

QAPereo 9y ago
History says... when life becomes so unbearable that losing it in a fight becomes an acceptable alternative.
- dogma1138 9y ago
  North Korea, Nazi Germany, The USSR....
  - QAPereo 9y ago
    People did fight in each case, sometimes they lose though.
    - dogma1138 9y ago
      Mostly due to occupation not as much internally. What you said is true for an occupier because for them it's a cost benefit calculation and they can always go back home. For a national dictator it's a life and death calculation. Erdogan at this point cannot step down without facing trial or exile in his future.
      - QAPereo 9y ago
        Sure, but look at how long places like Egypt and Tunisia stayed under one dictator... generations often decline until the tipping point is reached. Remember that in the Middle East and North Africa it took global climate change leading to droughts and economic detestation to impel the population to act.
        dogma1138 9y ago
        Tunisia was non-violent for the most part. Egypt wen't from Mubarak to defacto Erdogan under the Muslim Brotherhood then back to Mubarak 2.0 after the military took over because the MB was a nightmare. Egypt was a much more complicated issue while force was used during the protests Mubarak had hardly had an iron grip over the people, and for the most part as far as dictators go history will remember him as someone who actually wanted to move Egypt forward he was a patriot which is a rare vice for dictators.
dogma1138 9y ago
This dictator has pretty high popular support. The military which had a critical role in preventing exactly this from happening was gutted. The judicial system has been gutted. And how we got here was pretty clear 10-15 years ago when the hardliners started taking over the education system knowing that from then on its just a question of time.

QAPereo 9y ago

History says... when life becomes so unbearable that losing it in a fight becomes an acceptable alternative.

dogma1138 9y ago
North Korea, Nazi Germany, The USSR....
- QAPereo 9y ago
  People did fight in each case, sometimes they lose though.
  - dogma1138 9y ago
    Mostly due to occupation not as much internally. What you said is true for an occupier because for them it's a cost benefit calculation and they can always go back home. For a national dictator it's a life and death calculation. Erdogan at this point cannot step down without facing trial or exile in his future.
    - QAPereo 9y ago
      Sure, but look at how long places like Egypt and Tunisia stayed under one dictator... generations often decline until the tipping point is reached. Remember that in the Middle East and North Africa it took global climate change leading to droughts and economic detestation to impel the population to act.
      - dogma1138 9y ago
        Tunisia was non-violent for the most part. Egypt wen't from Mubarak to defacto Erdogan under the Muslim Brotherhood then back to Mubarak 2.0 after the military took over because the MB was a nightmare. Egypt was a much more complicated issue while force was used during the protests Mubarak had hardly had an iron grip over the people, and for the most part as far as dictators go history will remember him as someone who actually wanted to move Egypt forward he was a patriot which is a rare vice for dictators.

dogma1138 9y ago

This dictator has pretty high popular support. The military which had a critical role in preventing exactly this from happening was gutted. The judicial system has been gutted. And how we got here was pretty clear 10-15 years ago when the hardliners started taking over the education system knowing that from then on its just a question of time.