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No one has managed to create a real AI (as in strong AI). Machine learning, deep learning is smoke and mirrors too.

lawlessone 9y ago
I think louthy means something that works more like an agent observing it's environment,learning, strategy etc, Most entities in games are more like a wall following robot.
endymi0n 9y ago
...and in games, you actually want smoke and mirrors: http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/shouldn-t-our-enemies-be-smarter-by-now-gaming-ai-s-tricky-problem-of-smoke-and-mirrors-1245180 http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/shouldn-t-our-enemies-b... If you really had hard and strong AI, a lot of games certainly wouldn't be as much fun to play anymore for casual players (spare some games you want to be frustrating). You want the protagonist to eventually conquer the enemies and win.
- netzone 9y ago
  Yup. Imagine a boss in a game decides it's not in his best interest to be predictable, or take matters in his own hands and attack the players when they aren't ready. Or any number of things that sounds cool on paper, but would be exceedingly frustrating when actually playing the game.
  - StavrosK 9y ago
    Imagine a boss in a game tired of fighting every day, and just giving up and not fighting back.
    - mathgeek 9y ago
      That's essentially the plot of Wreck-It Ralph.
- bluesilver07 9y ago
  This might be true for FPS and other genres where reflex and speed are the most important factors. However most competitive strategy games will definitely benefit from strong intelligent AIs. For example in Age of Empires, the problem isn't that the AI is too strong (they're not - with enough practice anyone can beat the hardest AI). The problem is that they don't play like a human would, and are exploitable with certain strategies which even a beginner player wouldn't fall for.
Density 9y ago
Can you expand on this comment? Is there an industry standard definition of real AI? I'm genuinely curious.
- fulafel 9y ago
  Industry standard usually means content-free marketing stuff. Strong AI is a relatively well estabilished term of art in the field of AI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room#Strong_AI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room#Strong_AI
- Can_Not 9y ago
  There's a lot of things hyped/marketed as "AI" that are merely algorithms or applied statistics on large datasets. Things that totally miss the mark on the computer science aspects of what AI is suppose to be.

I think louthy means something that works more like an agent observing it's environment,learning, strategy etc, Most entities in games are more like a wall following robot.

endymi0n 9y ago

...and in games, you actually want smoke and mirrors: http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/shouldn-t-our-enemies-be-smarter-by-now-gaming-ai-s-tricky-problem-of-smoke-and-mirrors-1245180 http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/shouldn-t-our-enemies-b... If you really had hard and strong AI, a lot of games certainly wouldn't be as much fun to play anymore for casual players (spare some games you want to be frustrating). You want the protagonist to eventually conquer the enemies and win.

netzone 9y ago
Yup. Imagine a boss in a game decides it's not in his best interest to be predictable, or take matters in his own hands and attack the players when they aren't ready. Or any number of things that sounds cool on paper, but would be exceedingly frustrating when actually playing the game.
- StavrosK 9y ago
  Imagine a boss in a game tired of fighting every day, and just giving up and not fighting back.
  - mathgeek 9y ago
    That's essentially the plot of Wreck-It Ralph.
bluesilver07 9y ago
This might be true for FPS and other genres where reflex and speed are the most important factors. However most competitive strategy games will definitely benefit from strong intelligent AIs. For example in Age of Empires, the problem isn't that the AI is too strong (they're not - with enough practice anyone can beat the hardest AI). The problem is that they don't play like a human would, and are exploitable with certain strategies which even a beginner player wouldn't fall for.

Density 9y ago

Can you expand on this comment? Is there an industry standard definition of real AI? I'm genuinely curious.

fulafel 9y ago
Industry standard usually means content-free marketing stuff. Strong AI is a relatively well estabilished term of art in the field of AI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room#Strong_AI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room#Strong_AI
Can_Not 9y ago
There's a lot of things hyped/marketed as "AI" that are merely algorithms or applied statistics on large datasets. Things that totally miss the mark on the computer science aspects of what AI is suppose to be.