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> seems like an absolutely terrible idea Literally every single person in the world with an iPhone and young children wants this feature. I'm guessing based o

by veidr 9y ago

> seems like an absolutely terrible idea Literally every single person in the world with an iPhone and young children wants this feature. I'm guessing based on your proposed solution, you probably don't have kids? They don't want their cheaper phone; they want your phone.

Aaargh20318 9y ago
> They don't want their cheaper phone; they want your phone What they want isn't relevant. Maybe try some parenting.
- veidr 9y ago
  Thanks, but my mom taught me that it's generally better to avoid taking parenting advice from people who say things like, "Humanity is a plague, we breed uncontrolled and our population keeps growing and growing. There is no need for anyone to start a family, there is no shortage of humans."
  - stephenr 9y ago
    Fine. How about if I said it. You don't need a phone with a profile for your kid. You need to be a fucking parent.
    - balfirevic 9y ago
      Nope, didn't work from you either. Still a shitty comment.
      - Ntrails 9y ago
        How about "children wanting something doesn't mean it's the right choice as a parent to give it to them, indeed it's often the wrong choice." But I'm old, and still don't accept that the only way to have a child behave is to give them endless snacks and electronic entertainment on demand.
    - veidr 9y ago
      Darn, I really want to reply! But Mom also taught me not to feed Internet trolls. BTW, Mom, thanks for being such a great parent when I was little! :-)
      - Aaargh20318 9y ago
        Ok, lets turn this around. Can you imagine any situation, no matter how unlikely, where humanity should stop increasing their numbers or do you think we should keep increasing the population no matter what ? I'm beginning to fear that for the vast majority of humans the urge to procreate is ingrained at such a fundamental level that no amount of rational thought can overcome it. Like the 3 laws of robotics that cannot be overruled, humans seems to have a rule that 'thou shall increase thy numbers'. We could grow until the planet is covered in 100 story skyscrapers where everyone lives like in a Japanese capsule hotel and there would still be people insisting that we grow the population. Frankly, I think we as a species are fucked.
        leadingthenet 9y ago
        Beautifully put. I think we are headed in the right direction though. The rate of growth plateaus in very developed nations, so we might just survive the current craziness.
        hycaria 9y ago
        Sure, but our environment might not.
        majewsky 9y ago
        If anything, our environment is more likely to survive than our species.
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  - rb666 9y ago
    Is he wrong though? Our planet will not be able to sustain the current population's growth rate.
  - Aaargh20318 9y ago
    So the solution is to keep breeding like rats ? Don't you think it's sad that we as a species seem unable to keep ourselves under control ?
    - JoBrad 9y ago
      This isn't actually a problem. https://youtu.be/FACK2knC08E https://youtu.be/FACK2knC08E
  - hycaria 9y ago
    I was like "wow how did that person read this in this comment ? did I miss anything ?". But no, you just went and dig some comments from that user just to try to make a point ? What is this childish and grudgeful behavior, seriously ? I know, you answered since but you're just digging deeper, and still can't answer properly in a productive way why what they want matters more anyways. Way to elevate the debate.
stephenr 9y ago
> Literally I literally think you don't know what that word means. Edit: David Cross explains this point better than I ever could: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ly1UTgiBXM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ly1UTgiBXM
- Jaruzel 9y ago
  From the OED: Literally (informal): Used for emphasis while not being literally true.
- imron 9y ago
  It means figuratively ;-)
  - tomsthumb 9y ago
    It literally doesn't :)
    - imron 9y ago
      It's literally been used that way for centuries [0]. Consider: 1. It's been used like this for centuries 2. By well-known writers including Dickens, Twain, Fitzgerald, Joyce, Brontë 3. The definition of such usage is included in all major dictionaries 4. It's incredibly common in real-life use of the language To somehow insist that it doesn't mean that, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, requires extraordinary feats of denial. 0: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/misuse-of-literally https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/misuse-of-lite...
mtrimpe 9y ago
I was so happy when I discovered guided access.... until I realized you can still get it other apps by sharing :/
prawn 9y ago
If Android has it, do you want it enough to switch platforms? Or is Apple betting that, in general, people will just buy more devices? I'd guess most people hand down their old phone to their kids and then carry that for occasions where they might need them (distraction while waiting somewhere, etc). I don't give my phone to my kids otherwise because I don't want them to drop it and break the screen. (I'm an iPhone user and have kids.)
- veidr 9y ago
  I do indeed 'solve' this issue by buying more devices, which is what Apple wants and is a disincentive to them fixing the core issue, so yeah, I'm contributing to the problem. I used to have the big iPad Pro while my kids had the old busted iPad whatever-it-was. But they were like (to paraphrase), "Fuck you dad, that busted shit loads YouTube hella slow, we want yours!" So I ended up with a busted old iPad in a drawer, my kids having the big iPad Pro, and I got myself the new smaller 10.5 one. They know they can't use that one, but they accept it because theirs is bigger and not noticeably slower or worse for the things they do. Also, just to ward off more "bro, do you even parent?" comments from people with no kids: No, I don't let my kids use the iPad whenever they want. No, they don't get to watch TV and eat trash whenever they feel like it. They do chores and read books. Woo hoo. But, anybody with kids will tell you: trying to implement a you will never, ever, under any circumstances, use my phone policy is completely insane. It will make your kids life worse, and it will make your life as a parent a LOT worse. Oh shit, this United flight is stuck on the tarmac for an extra 180 minutes, and all our new coloring books are already done! Buddy, I know you're tired, but this is a funeral service for good old Uncle Jesse who suddenly and tragically died, we really need you to hold it together so we can deal with your little brother who is definitely not... (Et cetera times 1000 pls use your imagination...) So in these instances, you really want to be able to hand your phone to your child. And if you do so, every piece of data you've stored in the cloud is at risk. And you just can't have critical business data on your phone. Which limits how useful the phone can be to you. It's like having your own real, biological Chaos Monkey. And it can be humorous. I laughed when my wife bought a new MacBook and during the very first 10 minutes of setting it, somehow pressed 'th' and had it auto-expand into 20 paragraphs of Japanese text. She was like, wtf, and handed me the machine... boom! Another 20 paragraphs of Japanese text (seemed to be a cooking blog post). What I guess happened is: 1. somehow, some kid managed to copy a blog post 2. then they managed to somehow get to the "Text Expansion" settings on one of her iOS devices 3. then, they somehow managed to create a new shortcut for "th" and paste all the blog content into the shortcut expansion text area (didn't even think that was possible?) 4. the cloud did its cloud thing and now my wife can't type "the" on any of her machines That's just a guess as to how that happened. But shit like that happens pretty regularly. The Chaos Monkeys also managed to delete my favorite photo of my wife — I only noticed because it was my favorite, so who knows how many non-favorites they've deleted. The weirdest shit shows up in my photo stream. I have thousands of notes consisting of variants of 'afhdsf8aiyfoew9ry4t340822u9rtf20悪悪悪'. And I can't find this super-super-important receipt in Evernote... another heinous data-loss Evernote bug, or.... the Monkey??? So yeah. Just because you'd like to hand your phone to your child safely does not necessarily mean you're a shitty parent. If Apple had multi-user on iPhone, or even just a limited Guest Mode, it would get close to completely solving this problem.
zimpenfish 9y ago
> Literally every single person in the world with an iPhone and young children wants this feature. Neither of my sisters, with multiple kids, want this feature. In fact, of all the people I know with iPhones and kids, only one has ever mentioned this. And he believes coloured TTYs are an abomination.
- veidr 9y ago
  Well, sure, they don't know they want it. But if you asked all parents on earth "Hey, would you like to be able to hand your kid your phone and have them be able to use some apps, but not necessarily be able to delete all your data?" I think that the positive response would get pretty close to the literal meaning of "literally all".
tcskeptic 9y ago
I have young kids (3 of them ages 2-10) and our family uses iPhones and I don't want this. Guided Access does what I need it to do. Beyond that I don't want them on my device and my wife doesn't want them on hers. For an iPad however, it might be nice.

by veidr 9y ago

Aaargh20318 9y ago

> They don't want their cheaper phone; they want your phone What they want isn't relevant. Maybe try some parenting.

veidr 9y ago
Thanks, but my mom taught me that it's generally better to avoid taking parenting advice from people who say things like, "Humanity is a plague, we breed uncontrolled and our population keeps growing and growing. There is no need for anyone to start a family, there is no shortage of humans."
- stephenr 9y ago
  Fine. How about if I said it. You don't need a phone with a profile for your kid. You need to be a fucking parent.
  - balfirevic 9y ago
    Nope, didn't work from you either. Still a shitty comment.
    - Ntrails 9y ago
      How about "children wanting something doesn't mean it's the right choice as a parent to give it to them, indeed it's often the wrong choice." But I'm old, and still don't accept that the only way to have a child behave is to give them endless snacks and electronic entertainment on demand.
  - veidr 9y ago
    Darn, I really want to reply! But Mom also taught me not to feed Internet trolls. BTW, Mom, thanks for being such a great parent when I was little! :-)
    - Aaargh20318 9y ago
      Ok, lets turn this around. Can you imagine any situation, no matter how unlikely, where humanity should stop increasing their numbers or do you think we should keep increasing the population no matter what ? I'm beginning to fear that for the vast majority of humans the urge to procreate is ingrained at such a fundamental level that no amount of rational thought can overcome it. Like the 3 laws of robotics that cannot be overruled, humans seems to have a rule that 'thou shall increase thy numbers'. We could grow until the planet is covered in 100 story skyscrapers where everyone lives like in a Japanese capsule hotel and there would still be people insisting that we grow the population. Frankly, I think we as a species are fucked.
      - leadingthenet 9y ago
        Beautifully put. I think we are headed in the right direction though. The rate of growth plateaus in very developed nations, so we might just survive the current craziness.
        hycaria 9y ago
        Sure, but our environment might not.
        majewsky 9y ago
        If anything, our environment is more likely to survive than our species.
        deleted 9y ago
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      - 9y ago
- rb666 9y ago
  Is he wrong though? Our planet will not be able to sustain the current population's growth rate.
- Aaargh20318 9y ago
  So the solution is to keep breeding like rats ? Don't you think it's sad that we as a species seem unable to keep ourselves under control ?
  - JoBrad 9y ago
    This isn't actually a problem. https://youtu.be/FACK2knC08E https://youtu.be/FACK2knC08E
- hycaria 9y ago
  I was like "wow how did that person read this in this comment ? did I miss anything ?". But no, you just went and dig some comments from that user just to try to make a point ? What is this childish and grudgeful behavior, seriously ? I know, you answered since but you're just digging deeper, and still can't answer properly in a productive way why what they want matters more anyways. Way to elevate the debate.

stephenr 9y ago

> Literally I literally think you don't know what that word means. Edit: David Cross explains this point better than I ever could: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ly1UTgiBXM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ly1UTgiBXM

Jaruzel 9y ago
From the OED: Literally (informal): Used for emphasis while not being literally true.
imron 9y ago
It means figuratively ;-)
- tomsthumb 9y ago
  It literally doesn't :)
  - imron 9y ago
    It's literally been used that way for centuries [0]. Consider: 1. It's been used like this for centuries 2. By well-known writers including Dickens, Twain, Fitzgerald, Joyce, Brontë 3. The definition of such usage is included in all major dictionaries 4. It's incredibly common in real-life use of the language To somehow insist that it doesn't mean that, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, requires extraordinary feats of denial. 0: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/misuse-of-literally https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/misuse-of-lite...

mtrimpe 9y ago

I was so happy when I discovered guided access.... until I realized you can still get it other apps by sharing :/

prawn 9y ago

If Android has it, do you want it enough to switch platforms? Or is Apple betting that, in general, people will just buy more devices? I'd guess most people hand down their old phone to their kids and then carry that for occasions where they might need them (distraction while waiting somewhere, etc). I don't give my phone to my kids otherwise because I don't want them to drop it and break the screen. (I'm an iPhone user and have kids.)

veidr 9y ago
I do indeed 'solve' this issue by buying more devices, which is what Apple wants and is a disincentive to them fixing the core issue, so yeah, I'm contributing to the problem. I used to have the big iPad Pro while my kids had the old busted iPad whatever-it-was. But they were like (to paraphrase), "Fuck you dad, that busted shit loads YouTube hella slow, we want yours!" So I ended up with a busted old iPad in a drawer, my kids having the big iPad Pro, and I got myself the new smaller 10.5 one. They know they can't use that one, but they accept it because theirs is bigger and not noticeably slower or worse for the things they do. Also, just to ward off more "bro, do you even parent?" comments from people with no kids: No, I don't let my kids use the iPad whenever they want. No, they don't get to watch TV and eat trash whenever they feel like it. They do chores and read books. Woo hoo. But, anybody with kids will tell you: trying to implement a you will never, ever, under any circumstances, use my phone policy is completely insane. It will make your kids life worse, and it will make your life as a parent a LOT worse. Oh shit, this United flight is stuck on the tarmac for an extra 180 minutes, and all our new coloring books are already done! Buddy, I know you're tired, but this is a funeral service for good old Uncle Jesse who suddenly and tragically died, we really need you to hold it together so we can deal with your little brother who is definitely not... (Et cetera times 1000 pls use your imagination...) So in these instances, you really want to be able to hand your phone to your child. And if you do so, every piece of data you've stored in the cloud is at risk. And you just can't have critical business data on your phone. Which limits how useful the phone can be to you. It's like having your own real, biological Chaos Monkey. And it can be humorous. I laughed when my wife bought a new MacBook and during the very first 10 minutes of setting it, somehow pressed 'th' and had it auto-expand into 20 paragraphs of Japanese text. She was like, wtf, and handed me the machine... boom! Another 20 paragraphs of Japanese text (seemed to be a cooking blog post). What I guess happened is: 1. somehow, some kid managed to copy a blog post 2. then they managed to somehow get to the "Text Expansion" settings on one of her iOS devices 3. then, they somehow managed to create a new shortcut for "th" and paste all the blog content into the shortcut expansion text area (didn't even think that was possible?) 4. the cloud did its cloud thing and now my wife can't type "the" on any of her machines That's just a guess as to how that happened. But shit like that happens pretty regularly. The Chaos Monkeys also managed to delete my favorite photo of my wife — I only noticed because it was my favorite, so who knows how many non-favorites they've deleted. The weirdest shit shows up in my photo stream. I have thousands of notes consisting of variants of 'afhdsf8aiyfoew9ry4t340822u9rtf20悪悪悪'. And I can't find this super-super-important receipt in Evernote... another heinous data-loss Evernote bug, or.... the Monkey??? So yeah. Just because you'd like to hand your phone to your child safely does not necessarily mean you're a shitty parent. If Apple had multi-user on iPhone, or even just a limited Guest Mode, it would get close to completely solving this problem.

zimpenfish 9y ago

> Literally every single person in the world with an iPhone and young children wants this feature. Neither of my sisters, with multiple kids, want this feature. In fact, of all the people I know with iPhones and kids, only one has ever mentioned this. And he believes coloured TTYs are an abomination.

veidr 9y ago
Well, sure, they don't know they want it. But if you asked all parents on earth "Hey, would you like to be able to hand your kid your phone and have them be able to use some apps, but not necessarily be able to delete all your data?" I think that the positive response would get pretty close to the literal meaning of "literally all".

tcskeptic 9y ago

I have young kids (3 of them ages 2-10) and our family uses iPhones and I don't want this. Guided Access does what I need it to do. Beyond that I don't want them on my device and my wife doesn't want them on hers. For an iPad however, it might be nice.