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Any updates about the Node leadership disaster news from the 10 days ago? That left a bad taste in my mouth about node.

by ssijak 9y ago

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pgsandstrom 9y ago
Do you have a link so I can read about this?
- davman 9y ago
  https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/24/nodejs_forks_ayo_code_of_conduct/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/24/nodejs_forks_ayo_co...
  - gkya 9y ago
    tl;dr > On Tuesday, the thirteen-member steering committee came together to vote on whether to remove Rod Vagg, a TSC member and Node.js contributor, over his controversial statements on Twitter and GitHub that prompted complaints. They also voted on whether to ask Vagg to resign.
    - staticelf 9y ago
      I am always curious about what the statement was. When it comes to SJWs they usually do not want to display that because it is often such silly things.
      - gkya 9y ago
        IDK what they were but I find it irritating that having unpopular ideas can get you in trouble like this. His views are probably opposite of my ones, but still, I cant stand the hypocrisy in these situations and how easily these supposedly smart people are successfully pushed to go witch-hunting.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - josteink 9y ago
    So basically social justice warriors tried to start a COC-based witch-hunt to get someone removed from nodejs, they failed, and now they are bitter about the whole affair, and forked node into a irrelevant nonofficial repo? That's it? I'm happy. The toxic SJWs are out. Sounds good for the project as a whole.
- StevePerkins 9y ago
  There were several links posted on HN a few weeks ago. I didn't notice any that were inflammatory, but all were "flagged" and taken down regardless. In most cultural matters, this community tilts quite progressive. However, "Codes of Conduct" are an exception case, in which the community's libertarian streak clearly dominates. I do not believe that the moderators approve of that deviation. It would not surprise me if this entire thread were likewise flagged and removed if this subject draws too much conversation.
romanovcode 9y ago
Who cares? SJW left and the programmers stayed. Nothing will change from the release/code perspective.
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KeitIG 9y ago
More a controversy than a disaster. The last commits [0] are only about governance model, discord link... There are some rebase but that's it. Nothing will probably come from this fork. [0] https://github.com/ayojs/ayo/commits/master https://github.com/ayojs/ayo/commits/master
- rootlocus 9y ago
  I find it ironical that people who take up pitch forks and accuse others of being a hazard to the health and growth of a project would, in lieu of having their demands met, do one of the worst actions possible against what they were "protecting": splitting the code base and the community with a fork.
  - stephenr 9y ago
    How is forking the codebase "the worst possible thing"? The open source landscape is filled with forks of projects that diverged for a variety of reasons. A fork means the people involved are still contributing code and it can potentially be merged upstream. The alternative is they don't fork, and contribute nothing because they're unhappy with the original project.
coldtea 9y ago
What disaster? Just some ranting person(s) taking their marbles and going home. Let's hope the door didn't hit them on their way out. Otherwise, Node looks totally non-impacted and business as usual.
- rootlocus 9y ago
  > Just some ranting person(s) taking their marbles and going home You mean four out of the 13 CTC members leave to make a fork and the project is "totally non-impacted"?
  - coldtea 9y ago
    It's probably even better without those members on board. This is from the Ayo "GitHub": "For the time being, simply by mirroring them to preserve drop-in-ability. Eventually, I have no interest in retaining compatibility with Node Core at all, because that would involve participating in and interacting with a community with deeply dysfunctional governance." Yeah, good luck with that.

Any updates about the Node leadership disaster news from the 10 days ago? That left a bad taste in my mouth about node.

by ssijak 9y ago

Any updates about the Node leadership disaster news from the 10 days ago? That left a bad taste in my mouth about node.

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pgsandstrom 9y ago

Do you have a link so I can read about this?

davman 9y ago
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/24/nodejs_forks_ayo_code_of_conduct/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/24/nodejs_forks_ayo_co...
- gkya 9y ago
  tl;dr > On Tuesday, the thirteen-member steering committee came together to vote on whether to remove Rod Vagg, a TSC member and Node.js contributor, over his controversial statements on Twitter and GitHub that prompted complaints. They also voted on whether to ask Vagg to resign.
  - staticelf 9y ago
    I am always curious about what the statement was. When it comes to SJWs they usually do not want to display that because it is often such silly things.
    - gkya 9y ago
      IDK what they were but I find it irritating that having unpopular ideas can get you in trouble like this. His views are probably opposite of my ones, but still, I cant stand the hypocrisy in these situations and how easily these supposedly smart people are successfully pushed to go witch-hunting.
- deleted 9y ago
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- josteink 9y ago
  So basically social justice warriors tried to start a COC-based witch-hunt to get someone removed from nodejs, they failed, and now they are bitter about the whole affair, and forked node into a irrelevant nonofficial repo? That's it? I'm happy. The toxic SJWs are out. Sounds good for the project as a whole.
StevePerkins 9y ago
There were several links posted on HN a few weeks ago. I didn't notice any that were inflammatory, but all were "flagged" and taken down regardless. In most cultural matters, this community tilts quite progressive. However, "Codes of Conduct" are an exception case, in which the community's libertarian streak clearly dominates. I do not believe that the moderators approve of that deviation. It would not surprise me if this entire thread were likewise flagged and removed if this subject draws too much conversation.

romanovcode 9y ago

Who cares? SJW left and the programmers stayed. Nothing will change from the release/code perspective.

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KeitIG 9y ago

More a controversy than a disaster. The last commits [0] are only about governance model, discord link... There are some rebase but that's it. Nothing will probably come from this fork. [0] https://github.com/ayojs/ayo/commits/master https://github.com/ayojs/ayo/commits/master

rootlocus 9y ago
I find it ironical that people who take up pitch forks and accuse others of being a hazard to the health and growth of a project would, in lieu of having their demands met, do one of the worst actions possible against what they were "protecting": splitting the code base and the community with a fork.
- stephenr 9y ago
  How is forking the codebase "the worst possible thing"? The open source landscape is filled with forks of projects that diverged for a variety of reasons. A fork means the people involved are still contributing code and it can potentially be merged upstream. The alternative is they don't fork, and contribute nothing because they're unhappy with the original project.

coldtea 9y ago

What disaster? Just some ranting person(s) taking their marbles and going home. Let's hope the door didn't hit them on their way out. Otherwise, Node looks totally non-impacted and business as usual.

rootlocus 9y ago
> Just some ranting person(s) taking their marbles and going home You mean four out of the 13 CTC members leave to make a fork and the project is "totally non-impacted"?
- coldtea 9y ago
  It's probably even better without those members on board. This is from the Ayo "GitHub": "For the time being, simply by mirroring them to preserve drop-in-ability. Eventually, I have no interest in retaining compatibility with Node Core at all, because that would involve participating in and interacting with a community with deeply dysfunctional governance." Yeah, good luck with that.