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> You've also underscored how productive communication is more than just laying out facts or correcting mistakes. How one does so strongly affects its effective

> You've also underscored how productive communication is more than just laying out facts or correcting mistakes. How one does so strongly affects its effectiveness. If someone can't understand a simple list of facts unless it's couched in ... literature-course fluff, I suppose it could be called? ... then that's their problem and they're accomplishing precious little by foisting it onto everyone else. > And I generally feel happier as a result. In turn, writing when feeling happier results in better comments. A virtuous circle. Interesting. I find that happiness tends to dull my wit, make me less observant, etc. While it's not unusual for me to recall a long-past conversation (from any medium) and suddenly formulate a much better response at some particular junction ... feeling happy or contented tends to increase the probability that a current conversation will result in this sort of after-the-fact second-guessing.

grzm 9y ago
Effective communication is more than just transferring a simple list of facts. You're correct that communication takes two people. If my goal is have someone accept my point of view (and while it may seem counter-intuitive, that includes facts), I have to take into account how it will be received by my audience. If they don't take it in the way I'm presenting it, it's my responsibility to evaluate if there's a better way I can present it. Upon reflection (and that can be short or long, depending on how important it is to me), I can reasonably decide it's not worth the effort or time to do so. I can also come to the conclusion that perhaps the audience isn't really open to listening to what I have to say. That said, laying all of that on the audience without reflection in my experience is a recipe for failure and frustration.
- mmirate 9y ago
  It's their failure, and one's own frustration is, at least, limited to downvotes-received.

grzm 9y ago

Effective communication is more than just transferring a simple list of facts. You're correct that communication takes two people. If my goal is have someone accept my point of view (and while it may seem counter-intuitive, that includes facts), I have to take into account how it will be received by my audience. If they don't take it in the way I'm presenting it, it's my responsibility to evaluate if there's a better way I can present it. Upon reflection (and that can be short or long, depending on how important it is to me), I can reasonably decide it's not worth the effort or time to do so. I can also come to the conclusion that perhaps the audience isn't really open to listening to what I have to say. That said, laying all of that on the audience without reflection in my experience is a recipe for failure and frustration.

mmirate 9y ago
It's their failure, and one's own frustration is, at least, limited to downvotes-received.