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I am happy to see an alternative to Facebook comments. > Talk doesn’t contain any tracking, or digital surveillance. > Talk is small — about 300kb — and light

I am happy to see an alternative to Facebook comments. > Talk doesn’t contain any tracking, or digital surveillance. > Talk is small — about 300kb — and lightweight Both are an improvement over FB IMHO

wyattjoh 9y ago
Wyatt from the Coral Project here. It's all about the news rooms owning the data of the comments, not social networks like Facebook. We're using tech like GraphQL to make the experience possible on multiple platforms through our extensible and pluggable API.
- walterbell 9y ago
  Does Mozilla have a copy of the data, e.g. does it work like Disqus?
  - wyattjoh 9y ago
    Not at all. The software Talk [1] it installed on newsroom's infrastructure. We only provide the software the makes this all work. [1]: http://coralproject.net/products/talk.html http://coralproject.net/products/talk.html
    - walterbell 9y ago
      Do you think the Facebook "social networking" GraphQL patent applies to Talk? https://medium.com/@dwalsh.sdlr/using-graphql-why-facebook-now-owns-you-3182751028c9 https://medium.com/@dwalsh.sdlr/using-graphql-why-facebook-n...
gog 9y ago
I realize that this could be considered lightweight by today's web standards, but to me this is still huge.
- r1ch 9y ago
  I hope that 300KB refers to the backend code size, since one of the selling points is organizations run their own version. There's no way you need 300 KB of frontend code to render HTML from a database.
  - jandrese 9y ago
    Import a JS Framework or two and you'll easily blow that 300kB.
- jandrese 9y ago
  Woe be to the person still on dialup modem. 300kb on a 56k modem is around a full minute download if memory serves. Of course said modem user is probably already drowning in javascript frameworks anyway.
- jimnotgym 9y ago
  My point is that compared with Facebook SDK this project is tiny
  - gog 9y ago
    I understand your point, I just hijacked your comment to voice my frustration about current trends. I tried checking the actual size of the JS being loaded, but since the site for an article I opened made over 500 requests to load the page after I turned off add blockers I gave up. In their case, 300kB _is_ tiny.
    - KajMagnus 9y ago
      Here's one that is of size half-tiny then :- ) another open source embedded commenting system, with different features & look, & 150 kb JS: https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments. I'm developing this. Still, even just 150 kb is actually a bit slow, on slow 3G connections.
the8472 9y ago
The whois of the domain from which the JS is loaded shows that it is owned by wapo too. That's great, disqus always loads everything from a CDN.
KajMagnus 9y ago
Here's another open-source & ad-free & track-free alternative, 150 kb lightweight, + some unique features & look. https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments (I'm developing it, ... submitted yesterday, no one noticed)

wyattjoh 9y ago

Wyatt from the Coral Project here. It's all about the news rooms owning the data of the comments, not social networks like Facebook. We're using tech like GraphQL to make the experience possible on multiple platforms through our extensible and pluggable API.

walterbell 9y ago
Does Mozilla have a copy of the data, e.g. does it work like Disqus?
- wyattjoh 9y ago
  Not at all. The software Talk [1] it installed on newsroom's infrastructure. We only provide the software the makes this all work. [1]: http://coralproject.net/products/talk.html http://coralproject.net/products/talk.html
  - walterbell 9y ago
    Do you think the Facebook "social networking" GraphQL patent applies to Talk? https://medium.com/@dwalsh.sdlr/using-graphql-why-facebook-now-owns-you-3182751028c9 https://medium.com/@dwalsh.sdlr/using-graphql-why-facebook-n...

gog 9y ago

I realize that this could be considered lightweight by today's web standards, but to me this is still huge.

r1ch 9y ago
I hope that 300KB refers to the backend code size, since one of the selling points is organizations run their own version. There's no way you need 300 KB of frontend code to render HTML from a database.
- jandrese 9y ago
  Import a JS Framework or two and you'll easily blow that 300kB.
jandrese 9y ago
Woe be to the person still on dialup modem. 300kb on a 56k modem is around a full minute download if memory serves. Of course said modem user is probably already drowning in javascript frameworks anyway.
jimnotgym 9y ago
My point is that compared with Facebook SDK this project is tiny
- gog 9y ago
  I understand your point, I just hijacked your comment to voice my frustration about current trends. I tried checking the actual size of the JS being loaded, but since the site for an article I opened made over 500 requests to load the page after I turned off add blockers I gave up. In their case, 300kB _is_ tiny.
  - KajMagnus 9y ago
    Here's one that is of size half-tiny then :- ) another open source embedded commenting system, with different features & look, & 150 kb JS: https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments. I'm developing this. Still, even just 150 kb is actually a bit slow, on slow 3G connections.

the8472 9y ago

The whois of the domain from which the JS is loaded shows that it is owned by wapo too. That's great, disqus always loads everything from a CDN.

KajMagnus 9y ago

Here's another open-source & ad-free & track-free alternative, 150 kb lightweight, + some unique features & look. https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments https://www.kajmagnus.blog/new-embedded-comments (I'm developing it, ... submitted yesterday, no one noticed)