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No reintroduction of the headphone jack? Apple seems completely detached from the reality of what the trend setters actually desire. Needlessly locking custom

No reintroduction of the headphone jack? Apple seems completely detached from the reality of what the trend setters actually desire. Needlessly locking customers to Apple-only ecosystem of hardware since iPhone 7, Apple now signals clueless consumption rather than high-status to me. Will be interesting to see what happens with the upcoming arrival of Pixel2. Edit Why the downvotes? If you disagree I'd prefer (and be interested) to hear how I'm wrong, rather than drive-by downvotes with no communication.

minimaxir 9y ago
You can use any Bluetooth headphones with the iPhone, it's not hardware lock-in. I believe Android phones are starting to abandon the headphone jack as well.
- simonh 9y ago
  They started years before Apple did.
Brendinooo 9y ago
>Apple seems completely detached from the reality of what the trend setters actually desire iPhone sales have been mostly fine, right? It's not like the removal of the headphone jack cratered sales or anything. >Needlessly locking customers to Apple-only ecosystem of hardware since iPhone 7 Pretty sure non-Apple Bluetooth headsets work with the 7. >Apple now signals clueless consumption rather than high-status to me Anyone here with an iPhone might not like being called clueless; might have led to a downvote or two.
- simonh 9y ago
  I'm an iPhone owner who downvoted, but honest truth if he'd been taking about Samsung I'd have downvoted. Uninformed bile like that has no place on HN. Passion, high standards, a critical attitude fine, but at least get the facts right.
crgt 9y ago
Courage! In all seriousness, if you were expecting a reintroduction of the headphone jack, you might as well wait for them to reintroduce floppy disks. Apple only looks forward. That's just how they roll.
rayiner 9y ago
> Apple seems completely detached from the reality of what the trend setters actually desire I upvoted you, but the idea of techies being "trend setters" is a ship that sailed long ago. People know I'm a tech geek, and up until 2010 or so, they'd ask me advice about what to buy. Today, nobody asks. My wife actually berates me every time I try a non-Apple product.
jsjohnst 9y ago
1) if you have Bluetooth headphones, they just work. Any brand. 2) if you prefer wired headphones, they just work too using the contents of the box your phone came in. Seriously, you act like Apple released a smartphone without a screen. Grow up!
- NathanCH 9y ago
  Bluetooth headphones are far from being at a point where they "just work". Pairing, battery life, and comfort have a long way to go.
  - jsjohnst 9y ago
    Try out the AirPods, all three of your issues are addressed. Sound quality still doesn't remotely rival my studio monitors, but I also wouldn't be caught walking down the street with them either. YMMV!
    - Karunamon 9y ago
      I find it remarkably difficult to actually get a pair of AirPods to try. Nobody wants to lend you theirs to stick in your ears to see if their comfortable or not, nobody I know or work with actually owns any. I wrote them off immediately because they look identical to the pack-in iphone earbuds, and those are unbearably painful for me to wear.
      - jsjohnst 9y ago
        > I find it remarkably difficult to actually get a pair of AirPods to try. Guess you don't have an Apple Store nearby? That said, if the regular Apple EarPods were as painful as you describe, then you'll hate the AirPods. They are almost identical fit wise.
        shinratdr 9y ago
        I don't agree. I found EarPods very painful, and the AirPods were rough for about a day and then my ears got used to them. They look very similar, but something about how their weighted changes the fit.
kayoone 9y ago
of course they would not reintroduce the headphone jack, Apple does not do such a thing. They just accept that they did it too early and sit it out.
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minimaxir 9y ago

You can use any Bluetooth headphones with the iPhone, it's not hardware lock-in. I believe Android phones are starting to abandon the headphone jack as well.

simonh 9y ago
They started years before Apple did.

Brendinooo 9y ago

>Apple seems completely detached from the reality of what the trend setters actually desire iPhone sales have been mostly fine, right? It's not like the removal of the headphone jack cratered sales or anything. >Needlessly locking customers to Apple-only ecosystem of hardware since iPhone 7 Pretty sure non-Apple Bluetooth headsets work with the 7. >Apple now signals clueless consumption rather than high-status to me Anyone here with an iPhone might not like being called clueless; might have led to a downvote or two.

simonh 9y ago
I'm an iPhone owner who downvoted, but honest truth if he'd been taking about Samsung I'd have downvoted. Uninformed bile like that has no place on HN. Passion, high standards, a critical attitude fine, but at least get the facts right.

crgt 9y ago

Courage! In all seriousness, if you were expecting a reintroduction of the headphone jack, you might as well wait for them to reintroduce floppy disks. Apple only looks forward. That's just how they roll.

rayiner 9y ago

> Apple seems completely detached from the reality of what the trend setters actually desire I upvoted you, but the idea of techies being "trend setters" is a ship that sailed long ago. People know I'm a tech geek, and up until 2010 or so, they'd ask me advice about what to buy. Today, nobody asks. My wife actually berates me every time I try a non-Apple product.

jsjohnst 9y ago

1) if you have Bluetooth headphones, they just work. Any brand. 2) if you prefer wired headphones, they just work too using the contents of the box your phone came in. Seriously, you act like Apple released a smartphone without a screen. Grow up!

NathanCH 9y ago
Bluetooth headphones are far from being at a point where they "just work". Pairing, battery life, and comfort have a long way to go.
- jsjohnst 9y ago
  Try out the AirPods, all three of your issues are addressed. Sound quality still doesn't remotely rival my studio monitors, but I also wouldn't be caught walking down the street with them either. YMMV!
  - Karunamon 9y ago
    I find it remarkably difficult to actually get a pair of AirPods to try. Nobody wants to lend you theirs to stick in your ears to see if their comfortable or not, nobody I know or work with actually owns any. I wrote them off immediately because they look identical to the pack-in iphone earbuds, and those are unbearably painful for me to wear.
    - jsjohnst 9y ago
      > I find it remarkably difficult to actually get a pair of AirPods to try. Guess you don't have an Apple Store nearby? That said, if the regular Apple EarPods were as painful as you describe, then you'll hate the AirPods. They are almost identical fit wise.
      - shinratdr 9y ago
        I don't agree. I found EarPods very painful, and the AirPods were rough for about a day and then my ears got used to them. They look very similar, but something about how their weighted changes the fit.

kayoone 9y ago

of course they would not reintroduce the headphone jack, Apple does not do such a thing. They just accept that they did it too early and sit it out.

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