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I don't think it went far enough. Consider the circumstance where an office or agent wants your phone unlocked. Your passcode is protected, your thumbprint is
by DanHulton 9y ago
I don't think it went far enough. Consider the circumstance where an office or agent wants your phone unlocked. Your passcode is protected, your thumbprint is currently in debate, but holding your phone to your face? If that just always unlocked your phone without any sort of interaction from you? That's an uncomfortable level of privacy loss.
- LeoPanthera 9y agoThey did say you have to look directly at the phone. If looking away is enough to prevent it from unlocking, that doesn't seem too bad.
- ihuman 9y agoIn addition, you also have to have your eyes open for the phone to unlock.
- monkmartinez 9y agoSo it will not work with sunglasses? FAIL if true.
- ihuman 9y agoThey said it works if you are wearing glasses, so it will probably also work with sunglasses
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- monkmartinez 9y ago> They did say you have to look directly at the phone. But it will work with sunglasses too? I find it hard to believe. Just slap some sunglasses on the perp and unlock his phone. easy peezy.
- theshrike79 9y agoIt learns your face and can work around haircuts, sunglasses etc.
- donald123 9y agoIf this is true, then require looking directly into the camera is useless. Border agent could simply put a pair of sunglasses on you and unlock your phone easily.
- bodz 9y agoHow does it work around sunglasses if Apple also said you have to have your eyes open?
- Skunkleton 9y agoJust a guess: it uses infrared to somehow determine where you are looking, and sunglasses don't block infrared.
- gambiting 9y agoWell but that's the exact point - if it can work with sunglasses on,then it means you can force it to ignore whether someone is looking at it or not. Put sunglasses on someone unwilling to look at the phone - bam,done, phone unlocks without a problem.
- devwastaken 9y agoEffectively you'll need to have your head on the table if you're ever detained, or be closing your eyes shut and not able to walk, or waving your head around. Any of those could be seen as not complying with police.
- manmal 9y agoJust as not providing your thumb would.
- intopieces 9y agoThumbprint is not currently in debate, a Virginia judge ruled it lawful for police to force you to unlock your phone. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/iphone-fingerprint-search-warrant/480861/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/iphon... iOS 11 has cop mode at least.
- AlfeG 9y agoRule of thumb - power off Phone. IPhone will force passcode on first unlock
- wlesieutre 9y agoIn iOS 11 you can also quickly press the power button five times to require passcode for next unlock without turning the phone off.
- dawnerd 9y agosomething you should do if you're going to an airport/border/protest/pulled over/etc
- Brendinooo 9y agoiOS beta has a feature that lets you force passcode authentication without a reboot; I'm assuming this would disable Face ID as well but I don't think we'll know for sure until the new hardware and software are out in the wild. http://gizmodo.com/a-hidden-trick-in-the-ios-11-beta-lets-you-disable-touc-1797974234 http://gizmodo.com/a-hidden-trick-in-the-ios-11-beta-lets-yo...
- itsgreene 9y agoSome friends and I have defeated a few other devices with face unlock features. It was the super technical task of finding and printing a photo found on social networking sites, then holding it up to the camera. I wonder if apple has hardened against this.
- yladiz 9y agoDid you watch the keynote?
- theshrike79 9y ago30 seconds of googling would've told you that it uses a 3D mapping camera + IR to scan your face. So no, printing a photo found on social media won't work. 3D printing a perfect model of a face might, we'll see.
- dmerrick 9y agoThey did mention in the keynote that they worked with photos, as well as professional maskmakers and makeup artists to prevent this
- alcidesfonseca 9y agoIt uses a depth sensor. And they have trained the neural networks to prevent using 3d printed masks instead of the real face. I guess they are using depth-ir-powered-video instead of still photos.
- dalanmiller 9y agoIf you watched the demo, they explained you have to be looking at the phone and have your eyes open. Forcing someone's eyes to open isn't impossible but would be difficult.
- dabockster 9y ago> Forcing someone's eyes to open isn't impossible but would be difficult 1. Be at border. 2. CBP officer requests to unlock my phone. 3. He/She holds it up to my face to trigger the unlock. 4. I close my eyes to prevent the unlock. 5. The officer presses the end of his/her gun on my head and tells me to open my eyes within the next five seconds. 6. I comply to avoid having my brains splattered on the pavement. 7. ??? 8. iPhone is unlocked. Or, you know, anyone else who wants to unlock it (cybercriminals, pickpockets, etc) can simply threaten your life over a phone (since, let's be real, people have died for less in the first world).
- shinratdr 9y agoI don't see your point. This is true, but it's true for everything. Passwords, biometrics. Even a physical key. If your point is no lock is safe from someone saying "I will kill you if you don't unlock this" then yeah, that's true.
- brown9-2 9y agoSteps 5-8 are the same if you have a passcode lock too.
- SimbaOnSteroids 9y agoAnd step 9 is simple, call the bluff.
- antoinealb 9y agoI don't see how this is a change from other identifications methods (passcode, fingerprints). If someone is ready to use unlawful violence to get your phone, you have no real way of avoiding it.
- bluthru 9y agoI guess this can't be repeated enough: press the side button 5 times and it'll require a passcode. You can do this as you're handing it to the officer.
- bodz 9y agoAll of this debate is pretty irrelevant since refusal to unlock a phone is reason for police to hold you indefinitely until you unlock it. It's a misconception that locking with a passcode means you've "defeated" the police somehow. Most officers probably won't deal with the hassle, but if the officer is in a particularly bad mood or if they have reason to suspect you actually do have something incriminating, the officer will just hand it back to you and tell you to unlock it, and if you don't, to the holding cell you go.
- sjwright 9y agoObviously the choice is going to be between complying or a holding cell. This allows you to make that choice instead of having it made for you. That's not irrelevant at all.
- dmitrygr 9y agoFalse. CBP yes. Police no. You do not have for follow their orders except for their safety. They'll have to drag you before a judge to force you to unlock it. And even then it is questionable is providing a password is protected constitutionally. Courts have ruled differently on this.
- bodz 9y agoNot false. Police can ask for your password, and if you do not give it to them, you can be arrested pending a hearing with a judge. The judge can then compel you to give up the passcode (though they probably won't unless there's reasonable suspicion that you're hiding something - but again you're just banking on the judge's mood/feeling at that point), and if you don't, you can be held in prison until you do give it up. The "questionable constitutionality" of it is irrelevant since in practice until there is a higher ruling on this, if you don't want to go to jail, you must give up your passcode.
- ubernostrum 9y agoA sufficiently motivated and legally-empowered government official will always be able to find a way to unlock your phone. If nothing else, plenty of governments would simply torture you until you gave up the passcode. Biometric/facial ID/etc. are conveniences for the masses. They're not ever going to stop the secret police, and bringing up that they won't stop the secret police is not a useful objection, since nothing you can do will stop sufficiently-motivated secret police from being able to force you to access something you have access to.