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I mostly agree and I wonder how long until incidents like these start eroding public trust. I fully believe that fully autonomous driving can and will bring a w

by dlp211 9y ago

I mostly agree and I wonder how long until incidents like these start eroding public trust. I fully believe that fully autonomous driving can and will bring a whole new paradigm to transportation in the US, but it won't happen if we try to rush something so critical.

balls187 9y ago
Was it rushed though? Can you compare the number of hours driven with the autopilot and compare it to the statistics of human drivers, and determine which was safer? This was a fatal crash, but faulty airbags caused the death of 10 people. What selfdriving cars needs, rather than more time to bake, is a PR or lobby group, that can help spin (put in perspective) these types of events.
- dlp211 9y ago
  I can only speculate, but the fact that engineers have left Tesla over this very issue is telling.
- yahna 9y ago
  No, these are inexcusable deaths. This is literally a fatal flaw in the system.
  - dkonofalski 9y ago
    I'm sorry... I just don't buy that. Airbags have deployed and killed people by snapping their necks yet we include airbags in every single vehicle on the market without requiring that the drivers or passengers read and accept a warning about airbags. Autopilot requires manual consent from the user to even enable it and has so many overrides for the user that I feel like you're really stretching it by calling it a "fatal flaw". All it would have taken to prevent this accident was the person driving to hit the brakes in time. Even if they were just using cruise control in their vehicle, they would have died. This was completely about inattention and irresponsibility on the part of the driver. I can't see how anyone is making the leap to this being a "fatal flaw" in the system.
enraged_camel 9y ago
The public will trust it as long as it is properly regulated. Have you examined the history of air travel? Entire airliners have crashed and killed everyone on board and people still continued to take flights. Today airplanes are safer than even trains. The reason is simple: the industry is very heavily regulated and everyone has to adhere to strict processes with tight controls.
- sol_remmy 9y ago
  > The reason is simple: the industry is very heavily regulated and everyone has to adhere to strict processes with tight controls. The reason is even simpler: private companies using private money to improve flight technology
  - baq 9y ago
    You really honestly think that those same companies would achieve the same record without FAA?
- freedomben 9y ago
  Banks are highly regulated, yet that hasn't stopped them from enriching themselves and the wealthy elite at the expense of the average citizen. It's all sanctioned by the government, built into the system. Governments after all are run by people, just like companies, and people are prone to greed, corruption, and abuse of power, regardless of their position.

by dlp211 9y ago

balls187 9y ago

Was it rushed though? Can you compare the number of hours driven with the autopilot and compare it to the statistics of human drivers, and determine which was safer? This was a fatal crash, but faulty airbags caused the death of 10 people. What selfdriving cars needs, rather than more time to bake, is a PR or lobby group, that can help spin (put in perspective) these types of events.

dlp211 9y ago
I can only speculate, but the fact that engineers have left Tesla over this very issue is telling.
yahna 9y ago
No, these are inexcusable deaths. This is literally a fatal flaw in the system.
- dkonofalski 9y ago
  I'm sorry... I just don't buy that. Airbags have deployed and killed people by snapping their necks yet we include airbags in every single vehicle on the market without requiring that the drivers or passengers read and accept a warning about airbags. Autopilot requires manual consent from the user to even enable it and has so many overrides for the user that I feel like you're really stretching it by calling it a "fatal flaw". All it would have taken to prevent this accident was the person driving to hit the brakes in time. Even if they were just using cruise control in their vehicle, they would have died. This was completely about inattention and irresponsibility on the part of the driver. I can't see how anyone is making the leap to this being a "fatal flaw" in the system.

enraged_camel 9y ago

The public will trust it as long as it is properly regulated. Have you examined the history of air travel? Entire airliners have crashed and killed everyone on board and people still continued to take flights. Today airplanes are safer than even trains. The reason is simple: the industry is very heavily regulated and everyone has to adhere to strict processes with tight controls.

sol_remmy 9y ago
> The reason is simple: the industry is very heavily regulated and everyone has to adhere to strict processes with tight controls. The reason is even simpler: private companies using private money to improve flight technology
- baq 9y ago
  You really honestly think that those same companies would achieve the same record without FAA?
freedomben 9y ago
Banks are highly regulated, yet that hasn't stopped them from enriching themselves and the wealthy elite at the expense of the average citizen. It's all sanctioned by the government, built into the system. Governments after all are run by people, just like companies, and people are prone to greed, corruption, and abuse of power, regardless of their position.