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Professors told to report students who make campus ‘less inclusive’

17 points by eplanit 9y ago

mholt 9y ago
I clicked on this, hoping it was about some college far away. Nope. :( 10 minutes down the road... I attend a highly conservative university nearby. There is a degree of thought policing that already occurs, and I'm not sure how I feel about it. For example, "behavior that challenges University expectations" -- what does that even mean? I was afraid for my safety and emotional health all throughout public schooling. Bullying, etc, was real, but I don't blame the school for making me "feel unsafe" in that environment -- I blame the bullies directly. There will always be people who feel unsafe, uncomfortable, etc, in social settings. But that's not necessarily the fault of the other people. They might not, in fact, be doing anything immoral. It could just be one's own insecurities or internal struggles -- that are very real -- that cause one's feelings of anxiety. But to make this the fault of people around them is frightening to me. (Edit: After reading the whole document, most of it seems perfectly reasonable to report violence, threats, etc, and to expect professional behavior all around. But I think it's the part that talks about or strongly suggests catering to people's feelings, and enforcing that with authority, that bothers me.)
nxsynonym 9y ago
Colleges and universities should not be Safe Spaces. They should challenge you, give you a chance to learn, and foster growth. Of course if students feel excluded, they are less likely to fork over 100k in tuition fees. Maybe higher educations should focus on providing an education and not catering to hurt feelings and profits.
- monocasa 9y ago
  I fail to see how the behaviors listed in the source document should be tolerated in a classroom setting. It's literally just expected normal professional decorum.
  - nxsynonym 9y ago
    Because the reporting isn't limited to just a classroom setting. Here are some behaviors that are cause for concern and should be reported: - Argumentative (don't question anything) - Behavior that challenges universities expectations (what expectations?) - Unreasonable demands - Speaking loudly, shouting - Concerning email, social media, paper, or communication through CANVAS (which may or may not have any relevance to a classroom setting). I'm not saying students should be allowed to act like animals, but any one of the "warnings" listed above can be stretched to fit almost any behavior.
neo4sure 9y ago
Oh please, a website registered to some house in michigan.
- zrth 9y ago
  Would you mind enlightening me what exactly this implies?
staticautomatic 9y ago
The totalitarian nature of contemporary leftism is both its greatest strength and its greatest irony.
lkbm 9y ago
The highlighted "behaviors of concern" are[0]: * Using inappropriate language (vulgar or sexual) * Concerning email, social media, paper, or communication through CANVAS That second one is vague, but if you're upset that the university is saying using vulgar or sexual language in class is a disruptive behavior that should be addressed, maaaaybe you're taking the anti-PC bit a little too far. [0] https://www.thecollegefix.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Faculty-resources-letter.pdf https://www.thecollegefix.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Fac...
synicalx 9y ago
> "team members can come and stand by coworker for support" Is it just me, or does this sound like an odd suggestion? Especially when it's suggested as a response to someone complaining or swearing.

17 points by eplanit 9y ago

I clicked on this, hoping it was about some college far away. Nope. :( 10 minutes down the road... I attend a highly conservative university nearby. There is a degree of thought policing that already occurs, and I'm not sure how I feel about it. For example, "behavior that challenges University expectations" -- what does that even mean? I was afraid for my safety and emotional health all throughout public schooling. Bullying, etc, was real, but I don't blame the school for making me "feel unsafe" in that environment -- I blame the bullies directly. There will always be people who feel unsafe, uncomfortable, etc, in social settings. But that's not necessarily the fault of the other people. They might not, in fact, be doing anything immoral. It could just be one's own insecurities or internal struggles -- that are very real -- that cause one's feelings of anxiety. But to make this the fault of people around them is frightening to me. (Edit: After reading the whole document, most of it seems perfectly reasonable to report violence, threats, etc, and to expect professional behavior all around. But I think it's the part that talks about or strongly suggests catering to people's feelings, and enforcing that with authority, that bothers me.)

nxsynonym 9y ago

Colleges and universities should not be Safe Spaces. They should challenge you, give you a chance to learn, and foster growth. Of course if students feel excluded, they are less likely to fork over 100k in tuition fees. Maybe higher educations should focus on providing an education and not catering to hurt feelings and profits.

monocasa 9y ago
I fail to see how the behaviors listed in the source document should be tolerated in a classroom setting. It's literally just expected normal professional decorum.
- nxsynonym 9y ago
  Because the reporting isn't limited to just a classroom setting. Here are some behaviors that are cause for concern and should be reported: - Argumentative (don't question anything) - Behavior that challenges universities expectations (what expectations?) - Unreasonable demands - Speaking loudly, shouting - Concerning email, social media, paper, or communication through CANVAS (which may or may not have any relevance to a classroom setting). I'm not saying students should be allowed to act like animals, but any one of the "warnings" listed above can be stretched to fit almost any behavior.

neo4sure 9y ago

Oh please, a website registered to some house in michigan.

zrth 9y ago
Would you mind enlightening me what exactly this implies?

staticautomatic 9y ago

The totalitarian nature of contemporary leftism is both its greatest strength and its greatest irony.

lkbm 9y ago

The highlighted "behaviors of concern" are[0]: * Using inappropriate language (vulgar or sexual) * Concerning email, social media, paper, or communication through CANVAS That second one is vague, but if you're upset that the university is saying using vulgar or sexual language in class is a disruptive behavior that should be addressed, maaaaybe you're taking the anti-PC bit a little too far. [0] https://www.thecollegefix.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Faculty-resources-letter.pdf https://www.thecollegefix.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Fac...

synicalx 9y ago

> "team members can come and stand by coworker for support" Is it just me, or does this sound like an odd suggestion? Especially when it's suggested as a response to someone complaining or swearing.