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I disagree. You charge a very high price for a service because you know you have no competition, like Apple does. You have your right to do so. But that's the w

I disagree. You charge a very high price for a service because you know you have no competition, like Apple does. You have your right to do so. But that's the way it is.

ocdtrekkie 9y ago
Not only does FastMail have a lot of competition, they have a lot of cheap competition. Bear in mind, they not only have to beat companies like Slack here which offer their service free to a certain extent, but old mailing list classics like Google Groups as well.
calcifer 9y ago
Really? $0.1 per day ($0.16 w/ custom domain) for high quality, privacy oriented email is a high price? I would gladly pay quadruple that if I had to.
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- fbnlsr 9y ago
  My personal problem is that I'm way too deeply engaged with Google now. I was fortunate enough to get a Google Apps account back when it was a free service, and I have been providing all the Google services for me and all my family for free for several years. Fastmail looks absolutely incredible and I've never heard the slightest bad thing about them, but it'd cost me $250/month to get the same level of service I get now for free. :/
  - calcifer 9y ago
    > My personal problem is that I'm way too deeply engaged with Google now. That's exactly the reason I migrated to Fastmail. Ever since Google shutdown Reader, I've been slowly replacing Google services with alternatives as much as I can. Gmail -> Fastmail Calendar -> Fastmail Reader -> Self-hosted Commafeed Drive -> Self-hosted Nextcloud etc.
brongondwana 9y ago
As others have already noted (and I should stop reading this and go to bed, it's after midnight here and I have to work in the morning!) we have plenty of competition, and it's either plastered with ads or similarly priced, because that's what it costs to run a service while giving your staff a decent living and continuing to improve your service over time. As I said here: https://blog.fastmail.com/2016/12/01/fastmail-advent-2016/ https://blog.fastmail.com/2016/12/01/fastmail-advent-2016/ ... one of the most common questions was "aren't you worried about giving away all your secrets?" Actually, we really are not. Running an email service is hard work, and providing the speed, reliability and stream of new features would not be easy to replicate. So we're happy to share our stories... We contribute a lot to open source, and we're doing a lot in the standards space now to make sure email remains open. Topicbox is built on top of a draft of the JMAP protocol which is currently being worked on at the IETF, and will be updated to follow the standard. We have staff going to CalConnect to work on calendaring standards in a couple of weeks because we're investing in advancing the field as well. That also costs money, and we're self funded, so we can't afford to sell email accounts at a loss. It also means we have no secret customer. Our paying customers are our actual customers, not the product we're using to pump up the valuation or collect data from. It's a simple business proposition, money for service. I'm proud to charge money for what we do.
- kop316 9y ago
  As a new customer of Fastmail, that was the exact reason I went to you. I like that Fastmail cares about my privacy and doesn't track me, fully supports open standards, interoperates with other services seamlessly (so I can decide what features I want and do not want to use) and I can fully download and delete my data if I want to. It is well worth the premium, please keep up what you do!
- josteink 9y ago
  > It also means we have no secret customer. Our paying customers are our actual customers, not the product we're using to pump up the valuation or collect data from. As an actual, paying customer I just want to express just how much I appreciate that someone is actually doing this. The internet has lots of creepy companies spying on your every move. Actually paying for a service and knowing that there's nobody looking over your shoulder feels really good. I wish there were more companies like that.
sleepyhead 9y ago
Yeah if only someone else would launch an email service!

I disagree. You charge a very high price for a service because you know you have no competition, like Apple does. You have your right to do so. But that's the way it is.

ocdtrekkie 9y ago

Not only does FastMail have a lot of competition, they have a lot of cheap competition. Bear in mind, they not only have to beat companies like Slack here which offer their service free to a certain extent, but old mailing list classics like Google Groups as well.

calcifer 9y ago

Really? $0.1 per day ($0.16 w/ custom domain) for high quality, privacy oriented email is a high price? I would gladly pay quadruple that if I had to.

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fbnlsr 9y ago
My personal problem is that I'm way too deeply engaged with Google now. I was fortunate enough to get a Google Apps account back when it was a free service, and I have been providing all the Google services for me and all my family for free for several years. Fastmail looks absolutely incredible and I've never heard the slightest bad thing about them, but it'd cost me $250/month to get the same level of service I get now for free. :/
- calcifer 9y ago
  > My personal problem is that I'm way too deeply engaged with Google now. That's exactly the reason I migrated to Fastmail. Ever since Google shutdown Reader, I've been slowly replacing Google services with alternatives as much as I can. Gmail -> Fastmail Calendar -> Fastmail Reader -> Self-hosted Commafeed Drive -> Self-hosted Nextcloud etc.

brongondwana 9y ago

As others have already noted (and I should stop reading this and go to bed, it's after midnight here and I have to work in the morning!) we have plenty of competition, and it's either plastered with ads or similarly priced, because that's what it costs to run a service while giving your staff a decent living and continuing to improve your service over time. As I said here: https://blog.fastmail.com/2016/12/01/fastmail-advent-2016/ https://blog.fastmail.com/2016/12/01/fastmail-advent-2016/ ... one of the most common questions was "aren't you worried about giving away all your secrets?" Actually, we really are not. Running an email service is hard work, and providing the speed, reliability and stream of new features would not be easy to replicate. So we're happy to share our stories... We contribute a lot to open source, and we're doing a lot in the standards space now to make sure email remains open. Topicbox is built on top of a draft of the JMAP protocol which is currently being worked on at the IETF, and will be updated to follow the standard. We have staff going to CalConnect to work on calendaring standards in a couple of weeks because we're investing in advancing the field as well. That also costs money, and we're self funded, so we can't afford to sell email accounts at a loss. It also means we have no secret customer. Our paying customers are our actual customers, not the product we're using to pump up the valuation or collect data from. It's a simple business proposition, money for service. I'm proud to charge money for what we do.

kop316 9y ago
As a new customer of Fastmail, that was the exact reason I went to you. I like that Fastmail cares about my privacy and doesn't track me, fully supports open standards, interoperates with other services seamlessly (so I can decide what features I want and do not want to use) and I can fully download and delete my data if I want to. It is well worth the premium, please keep up what you do!
josteink 9y ago
> It also means we have no secret customer. Our paying customers are our actual customers, not the product we're using to pump up the valuation or collect data from. As an actual, paying customer I just want to express just how much I appreciate that someone is actually doing this. The internet has lots of creepy companies spying on your every move. Actually paying for a service and knowing that there's nobody looking over your shoulder feels really good. I wish there were more companies like that.

sleepyhead 9y ago

Yeah if only someone else would launch an email service!