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I was chatting in bed with my lady about this last night and we hit on a few negative potential outcomes and concerns: Companies and their investors are going

I was chatting in bed with my lady about this last night and we hit on a few negative potential outcomes and concerns: Companies and their investors are going to look for ways to prevent these issues from happening. Part of the solution will rest on coaching, monitoring and policing (perhaps through employee empowerment etc) the "aggressive" people (mostly men) in the workplace. A concern my girlfriend highlighted is that this may increase unconscious bias in the hiring process, for example: Will men consider beautiful girls a risk to the workplace? If you have 90% male employees working in your office and a beautiful girl who is definitely qualified for the job but for the sake of argument not someone you "have to have" for this role, are you introducing risk into the workplace by hiring her knowing that people react stronger to attractive people? Said differently, is there a possibility that her presence becomes a potential "distraction" in the office. Will progressive personalities be considered a risk to the workplace? Beyond looks to personality types, if you are interviewing a candidate and through rounds of interviews you discover they actively contribute their spare time and energy toward socially progressive movements, rallies, campaigns etc, will they be deemed higher risks as potential work-place agitators? I never really thought about these things until my gf mentioned them but apparently she and her girlfriends consider these factors when strategizing about interviews ("don't look too good, etc"). Another anecdote: we have a handful of couples we're close to whose girlfriends/wives insist that their CEO boyfriends/husbands never conduct challenging performance based conversations with female employees without a witness present. This was consistent with my girlfriend's experience in banking where she found that her senior managers were comfortable having performance reviews 1-1 (which in theory facilitates more candid dialogue and deeper relationships) whereas all the girls had multiple managers present reviews. On the margin, does this disadvantage women? I don't know but my gf seemed to think so.

thebiglebrewski 9y ago
I didn't know Smoove B was on Hacker News. Oooooh yeah. http://www.theonion.com/personalities/smoove-b-1022 http://www.theonion.com/personalities/smoove-b-1022
thebiglebrewski 9y ago
Also woah I didn't read your whole comment. "Will men consider beautiful girls a risk to the workplace?" What kind of question is that? So beautiful girls don't have a right to a job because men are afraid of them? Honestly that's kind of messed up to think about. "Beautiful girls" are people too...
- rndmwlk 9y ago
  >Also woah I didn't read your whole comment. Is this some form of satire? I would suggest reading their whole comment or refraining from commenting yourself.
  - thebiglebrewski 9y ago
    No this comment was not. Sorry if you thought my comment was offensive. I'm just saying that I think it's offensive to say that "beautiful women" are a problem in an office as if they're not people too...is that an outlandish thing to think?
    - thebiglebrewski 9y ago
      ...apparently it is judging by the number of downvotes I'm getting.
    - bluntfang 9y ago
      it's outlandish to think that your reading comprehension is so poor, but it true.
      - thebiglebrewski 9y ago
        Yeah it's definitely true. You are right, I'm clearly an idiot. I am in the wrong
dsfyu404ed 9y ago
>Will men consider beautiful girls a risk to the workplace? If you have 90% male employees working in your office and a beautiful girl who is definitely qualified for the job but for the sake of argument not someone you "have to have" for this role, are you introducing risk into the workplace by hiring her knowing that people react stronger to attractive people? Said differently, is there a possibility that her presence becomes a potential "distraction" in the office. Yes. This is already a thing (in some workplaces). I'm just saying it exists, not that I endorse or condemn it. >Will progressive personalities be considered a risk to the workplace? Beyond looks to personality types, if you are interviewing a candidate and through rounds of interviews you discover they actively contribute their spare time and energy toward socially progressive movements, rallies, campaigns etc, will they be deemed higher risks as potential work-place agitators? See above. In fact I'd say the reverse is more true. Nobody would blink twice if their coworker drove a car plastered in anti GMO and pro local farming bumper stickers but if a "venison is always free range" sticker showed up it would probably be noticed. >whereas all the girls had multiple managers present reviews It only takes one semi-baseless allegation of sexual harassment to create a policy like this.
neo4sure 9y ago
"Companies and their investors are going to look for ways to prevent these issues from happening. Part of the solution will rest on coaching, monitoring and policing (perhaps through employee empowerment etc) the "aggressive" people (mostly men) in the workplace." Just be a good person... It's really easy. I don't know why a guy would need coaching on basic decency.
- cflewis 9y ago
  Yeah, this is classic victim blaming. "Oh, she looked too pretty, I couldn't help myself from touching her ass." How about not hiring assholes in the first place? If they have to be coached to not have issues with women, then they aren't worth your time.
adamsea 9y ago
What does "aggressive" mean in this context, and why is it in quotes?
matrix 9y ago
There is precedent for a bias against hiring someone who is too attractive, see "Fired for Being Beautiful: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/opinion/fired-for-being-beautiful.html?mcubz=3 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/opinion/fired-for-being-be...
flachsechs 9y ago
> Will men consider beautiful girls a risk to the workplace this isn't just a concern at work, but also when hanging out with male friends also. adding an attractive female will instantly change the dynamic. some men completely change their personalities when an attractive female is around. they'll start subtly insulting other guys, etc. i'm sure all men do it to a certain degree but some just are not socialized well enough to handle it.
thinkcontext 9y ago
From the BBC recently an article about a CEO who dyed her hair and wore glasses to increase odds with VC. "I dye my hair brown to be taken more seriously at work" http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-41082939 http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-41082939

thebiglebrewski 9y ago

I didn't know Smoove B was on Hacker News. Oooooh yeah. http://www.theonion.com/personalities/smoove-b-1022 http://www.theonion.com/personalities/smoove-b-1022

thebiglebrewski 9y ago

Also woah I didn't read your whole comment. "Will men consider beautiful girls a risk to the workplace?" What kind of question is that? So beautiful girls don't have a right to a job because men are afraid of them? Honestly that's kind of messed up to think about. "Beautiful girls" are people too...

rndmwlk 9y ago
>Also woah I didn't read your whole comment. Is this some form of satire? I would suggest reading their whole comment or refraining from commenting yourself.
- thebiglebrewski 9y ago
  No this comment was not. Sorry if you thought my comment was offensive. I'm just saying that I think it's offensive to say that "beautiful women" are a problem in an office as if they're not people too...is that an outlandish thing to think?
  - thebiglebrewski 9y ago
    ...apparently it is judging by the number of downvotes I'm getting.
  - bluntfang 9y ago
    it's outlandish to think that your reading comprehension is so poor, but it true.
    - thebiglebrewski 9y ago
      Yeah it's definitely true. You are right, I'm clearly an idiot. I am in the wrong

dsfyu404ed 9y ago

>Will men consider beautiful girls a risk to the workplace? If you have 90% male employees working in your office and a beautiful girl who is definitely qualified for the job but for the sake of argument not someone you "have to have" for this role, are you introducing risk into the workplace by hiring her knowing that people react stronger to attractive people? Said differently, is there a possibility that her presence becomes a potential "distraction" in the office. Yes. This is already a thing (in some workplaces). I'm just saying it exists, not that I endorse or condemn it. >Will progressive personalities be considered a risk to the workplace? Beyond looks to personality types, if you are interviewing a candidate and through rounds of interviews you discover they actively contribute their spare time and energy toward socially progressive movements, rallies, campaigns etc, will they be deemed higher risks as potential work-place agitators? See above. In fact I'd say the reverse is more true. Nobody would blink twice if their coworker drove a car plastered in anti GMO and pro local farming bumper stickers but if a "venison is always free range" sticker showed up it would probably be noticed. >whereas all the girls had multiple managers present reviews It only takes one semi-baseless allegation of sexual harassment to create a policy like this.

neo4sure 9y ago

"Companies and their investors are going to look for ways to prevent these issues from happening. Part of the solution will rest on coaching, monitoring and policing (perhaps through employee empowerment etc) the "aggressive" people (mostly men) in the workplace." Just be a good person... It's really easy. I don't know why a guy would need coaching on basic decency.

cflewis 9y ago
Yeah, this is classic victim blaming. "Oh, she looked too pretty, I couldn't help myself from touching her ass." How about not hiring assholes in the first place? If they have to be coached to not have issues with women, then they aren't worth your time.

adamsea 9y ago

What does "aggressive" mean in this context, and why is it in quotes?

matrix 9y ago

There is precedent for a bias against hiring someone who is too attractive, see "Fired for Being Beautiful: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/opinion/fired-for-being-beautiful.html?mcubz=3 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/opinion/fired-for-being-be...

flachsechs 9y ago

> Will men consider beautiful girls a risk to the workplace this isn't just a concern at work, but also when hanging out with male friends also. adding an attractive female will instantly change the dynamic. some men completely change their personalities when an attractive female is around. they'll start subtly insulting other guys, etc. i'm sure all men do it to a certain degree but some just are not socialized well enough to handle it.

thinkcontext 9y ago

From the BBC recently an article about a CEO who dyed her hair and wore glasses to increase odds with VC. "I dye my hair brown to be taken more seriously at work" http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-41082939 http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-41082939