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And yet California insists on continuing to ban all kangaroo imports into the state.

by juandg 9y ago

broodbucket 9y ago
Really? Why? Here in Australia the meat isn't very popular despite supply, gets used mostly in pet food (and the leather is used as well). I'm sure we'd happily export it to anyone interested, why would Cali ban it?
- microcolonel 9y ago
  California bans all sorts of things. Foie gras, wood stoves, apples from some other states in the union, reference to a nationally recognizable sports team, allowing animals to have sex within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship[0], driving in a housecoat (but only if you're a woman)[citation needed], and the eating of any frog which dies in a frog race (really).
  - eesmith 9y ago
    "apples from some other states" How does that work? Is it for worry about pests, or insecticide use? I thought the US Constitution prevents a state from banning products from another state. I looked in the online California Code at https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes.xhtml https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes.xhtml but found no mention of "housecoat" or "house coat". I also found nothing relevant for "robe" or "robes". Could you point out the relevant law? The section on frog jumping races is at http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=FGC&division=6.&title=&part=1.&chapter=7.&article=2 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xh.... It appears to be in place to allow frog-jumping contests while preventing the frog-jumping contest from being used as a way to get other other laws related to the capture and use of frogs. Quoting http://articles.latimes.com/2003/feb/06/local/me-frogs6 http://articles.latimes.com/2003/feb/06/local/me-frogs6 : "After a thorough legal review, the lawyers discovered a provision tucked into the California Fish and Game Code in 1957 that basically exempts "frogs to be used in frog-jumping contests" from general wildlife rules." Mark Twain's story about Calaveras County may be the reason behind that law.
    - microcolonel 9y ago
      > How does that work? Is it for worry about pests, or insecticide use? I thought the US Constitution prevents a state from banning products from another state. I have no idea, but this is at least the guidance. https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/plant/factsheets/BringingFruitsVeggies_to_CA.pdf https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/plant/factsheets/BringingFruitsVeggi... That said, I'd like to be clear in not knocking all laws of this sort, for example laws about citrus are obviously informed by: https://californiacitrusthreat.org/ https://californiacitrusthreat.org/ > I looked in the online California Code at https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes.xhtml https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes.xhtml but found no mention of "housecoat" or "house coat". I also found nothing relevant for "robe" or "robes". Could you point out the relevant law? I'm somewhat embarrassed to say that I could not find it. I've seen it printed in so many places that I started to believe it without seeing the exact wording of the law. In fact, the only code referencing 'woman' in the Vehicle Code is about ownership.
    - gozur88 9y ago
      The ag laws are among the few that make sense. Agriculture is big business in California, and we've been overrun by invasive pests a few times now. It makes more sense to keep them out than to try to eradicate them after they become established. If I had to guess why we ban kangaroo meat, it's probably because too many people think they're "cute".
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > How does that work? Is it for worry about pests Yes, California’s ag quarantine/inspection laws are about pests (and the prohibited without certificate imports are part of those laws). California is unusual in enforcing its quarantine laws with border inspections, but not in having them. > I thought the US Constitution prevents a state from banning products from another state. State ag quarantine laws are common and have generally been held Constitutional absent federal action that overlaps with or expressly preempts them.
  - Houshalter 9y ago
    Those sound like archaic unenforced laws which every state has. But they really do have a very overbearing government. It's very common to see labels like "not available in California" or "known to the state of California to cause cancer".
augustocallejas 9y ago
This ban affects dog food that contains kangaroo, and affects states outside of California too: https://www.royalcanin.com/products/royal-canin-veterinary-diet-canine-selected-protein-adult-ko-dry-dog-food-cannot-ship-to-ca/1046 https://www.royalcanin.com/products/royal-canin-veterinary-d... > This product cannot be shipped to the state of California due to current California state laws. Additionally, this product may not be available to purchase from Royal Canin directly if you are located in Nevada, parts of Utah, Arizona, Hawaii, or parts of Oregon because your order may be fulfilled from California
- juandg 9y ago
  Not just meat, kangaroo leather is also banned as well as any other kangaroo made products

And yet California insists on continuing to ban all kangaroo imports into the state.

by juandg 9y ago

And yet California insists on continuing to ban all kangaroo imports into the state.

Really? Why? Here in Australia the meat isn't very popular despite supply, gets used mostly in pet food (and the leather is used as well). I'm sure we'd happily export it to anyone interested, why would Cali ban it?

microcolonel 9y ago
California bans all sorts of things. Foie gras, wood stoves, apples from some other states in the union, reference to a nationally recognizable sports team, allowing animals to have sex within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship[0], driving in a housecoat (but only if you're a woman)[citation needed], and the eating of any frog which dies in a frog race (really).
- eesmith 9y ago
  "apples from some other states" How does that work? Is it for worry about pests, or insecticide use? I thought the US Constitution prevents a state from banning products from another state. I looked in the online California Code at https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes.xhtml https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes.xhtml but found no mention of "housecoat" or "house coat". I also found nothing relevant for "robe" or "robes". Could you point out the relevant law? The section on frog jumping races is at http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=FGC&division=6.&title=&part=1.&chapter=7.&article=2 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xh.... It appears to be in place to allow frog-jumping contests while preventing the frog-jumping contest from being used as a way to get other other laws related to the capture and use of frogs. Quoting http://articles.latimes.com/2003/feb/06/local/me-frogs6 http://articles.latimes.com/2003/feb/06/local/me-frogs6 : "After a thorough legal review, the lawyers discovered a provision tucked into the California Fish and Game Code in 1957 that basically exempts "frogs to be used in frog-jumping contests" from general wildlife rules." Mark Twain's story about Calaveras County may be the reason behind that law.
  - microcolonel 9y ago
    > How does that work? Is it for worry about pests, or insecticide use? I thought the US Constitution prevents a state from banning products from another state. I have no idea, but this is at least the guidance. https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/plant/factsheets/BringingFruitsVeggies_to_CA.pdf https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/plant/factsheets/BringingFruitsVeggi... That said, I'd like to be clear in not knocking all laws of this sort, for example laws about citrus are obviously informed by: https://californiacitrusthreat.org/ https://californiacitrusthreat.org/ > I looked in the online California Code at https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes.xhtml https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes.xhtml but found no mention of "housecoat" or "house coat". I also found nothing relevant for "robe" or "robes". Could you point out the relevant law? I'm somewhat embarrassed to say that I could not find it. I've seen it printed in so many places that I started to believe it without seeing the exact wording of the law. In fact, the only code referencing 'woman' in the Vehicle Code is about ownership.
  - gozur88 9y ago
    The ag laws are among the few that make sense. Agriculture is big business in California, and we've been overrun by invasive pests a few times now. It makes more sense to keep them out than to try to eradicate them after they become established. If I had to guess why we ban kangaroo meat, it's probably because too many people think they're "cute".
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > How does that work? Is it for worry about pests Yes, California’s ag quarantine/inspection laws are about pests (and the prohibited without certificate imports are part of those laws). California is unusual in enforcing its quarantine laws with border inspections, but not in having them. > I thought the US Constitution prevents a state from banning products from another state. State ag quarantine laws are common and have generally been held Constitutional absent federal action that overlaps with or expressly preempts them.
- Houshalter 9y ago
  Those sound like archaic unenforced laws which every state has. But they really do have a very overbearing government. It's very common to see labels like "not available in California" or "known to the state of California to cause cancer".

augustocallejas 9y ago

This ban affects dog food that contains kangaroo, and affects states outside of California too: https://www.royalcanin.com/products/royal-canin-veterinary-diet-canine-selected-protein-adult-ko-dry-dog-food-cannot-ship-to-ca/1046 https://www.royalcanin.com/products/royal-canin-veterinary-d... > This product cannot be shipped to the state of California due to current California state laws. Additionally, this product may not be available to purchase from Royal Canin directly if you are located in Nevada, parts of Utah, Arizona, Hawaii, or parts of Oregon because your order may be fulfilled from California

juandg 9y ago
Not just meat, kangaroo leather is also banned as well as any other kangaroo made products