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> I see no reason why a fingerprint authentication should be forced upon someone anymore than a password unlock would be. In Canada, there is a difference. A

by adekok 9y ago

> I see no reason why a fingerprint authentication should be forced upon someone anymore than a password unlock would be. In Canada, there is a difference. A fingerprint is something you have. A password is something you know. Police can compel you to use your fingerprint to unlock the phone. They can't compel you to disclose the password.

AckSyn 9y ago
You shouldn't be compelled to give up anything that is "you" without a court order and a warrant. Not indiscriminately photographed, fingerprinted, and in some cases tested for drugs against your will.
KGIII 9y ago
Canada forces people to unlock their phones, when crossing the border, quite frequently - and have for years. They will make you unlock it, or disallow entry and/or detain you. There's a whole series that shows this. It's Canadian Border Guard, or similar. I see it when I cross the border, which I do with some frequency. I just unlock my phone for them.
- Botnet4Lunch 9y ago
  What do they do with it after you give it to them? Does the device leave your sight?
  - KGIII 9y ago
    They just flip through it. I'm a citizen so they don't do much with it. They usually look at texts and emails, to see if people are going to work there illegally. I'm able to work there so it's pretty silly. It has never left my sight. I can't speak for others and didn't watch the show that carefully. I live so close to the border that my neighbors get Canadian television. So, I've seen it there. I don't actually have TV hooked up, so I don't see it often.
- adekok 9y ago
  As does the States. What I meant was that inside of Canada, there are situations where the police don't need a search warrant for your phone. You can unlock it with your fingerprint, so it's legally "open" and searchable. If you have a passphrase, then they need to know your mind in order to unlock it, and they can't force you to disclose something you know.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    Ah, okay. Yes, inside the US it is pretty much the same. Borders are the exception and, I think, you need to actually be crossing in order for them to demand it. Citizens are immune, for the most part. Curiously, citizens aren't immune in Canada. I have dual citizenship and they still sometimes want to flip through my phone. No, I'm not sure why. They have had me power on and unlock my laptop a couple of times, as well.
bb611 9y ago
Exactly the same in the US: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/iphone-fingerprint-search-warrant/480861/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/iphon...

by adekok 9y ago

AckSyn 9y ago

You shouldn't be compelled to give up anything that is "you" without a court order and a warrant. Not indiscriminately photographed, fingerprinted, and in some cases tested for drugs against your will.

KGIII 9y ago

Canada forces people to unlock their phones, when crossing the border, quite frequently - and have for years. They will make you unlock it, or disallow entry and/or detain you. There's a whole series that shows this. It's Canadian Border Guard, or similar. I see it when I cross the border, which I do with some frequency. I just unlock my phone for them.

Botnet4Lunch 9y ago
What do they do with it after you give it to them? Does the device leave your sight?
- KGIII 9y ago
  They just flip through it. I'm a citizen so they don't do much with it. They usually look at texts and emails, to see if people are going to work there illegally. I'm able to work there so it's pretty silly. It has never left my sight. I can't speak for others and didn't watch the show that carefully. I live so close to the border that my neighbors get Canadian television. So, I've seen it there. I don't actually have TV hooked up, so I don't see it often.
adekok 9y ago
As does the States. What I meant was that inside of Canada, there are situations where the police don't need a search warrant for your phone. You can unlock it with your fingerprint, so it's legally "open" and searchable. If you have a passphrase, then they need to know your mind in order to unlock it, and they can't force you to disclose something you know.
- KGIII 9y ago
  Ah, okay. Yes, inside the US it is pretty much the same. Borders are the exception and, I think, you need to actually be crossing in order for them to demand it. Citizens are immune, for the most part. Curiously, citizens aren't immune in Canada. I have dual citizenship and they still sometimes want to flip through my phone. No, I'm not sure why. They have had me power on and unlock my laptop a couple of times, as well.

bb611 9y ago

Exactly the same in the US: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/iphone-fingerprint-search-warrant/480861/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/iphon...