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If you choose friends who share values with you, "tribes" will naturally self segregate based on those values. Is that really so bad?
by rawnlq 9y ago
If you choose friends who share values with you, "tribes" will naturally self segregate based on those values. Is that really so bad?
- emodendroket 9y agoI, uh, do not see what that has to do with your friends being genetically similar.
- tomsthumb 9y agoIf one considers that the conservative vs. liberal spectrum in America has a statistically significant genetic [0] why would it not? [0] - Jonathan Haidt's "The Righteous Mind"
- emodendroket 9y agoI have not found little correlation between sharing my values and phenotypes, and short of DNA testing my friends that's all I have to go on. Further, while there may be a correlation, it's far from deterministic. Experiences count for a lot in developing values.
- bluthru 9y agoWe aren't blank slates. Genes inform a lot about who we are.
- emodendroket 9y agoThat vague truism doesn't seem like enough to justify racially- or otherwise genetically-based separatism to me.
- pdeuchler 9y agoThe fact that you can't discern between justifying racism and pointing out that racism comes from deep seated biological impulses is pretty scary
- emodendroket 9y agoHow else am I supposed to interpret "is that really so bad?" besides justification?
- rawnlq 9y agoYou quoted me but I actually didn't say anything about race or genetics. My original response was to the parent which was claiming that "tribalism is avoidable" and I was arguing against that saying that humans will always self-segregate into tribes so it's unavoidable. Examples: - I had a friendship which originally started over shared nostalgia for a cantonese children show - I was excluded from a group because I didn't know enough american pop culture references to get their jokes - I stopped eating dinner with another group because I felt awkward being the only one not praying before the meal - In another group, we only ever talked about programming puzzles and non-programmer friends (such as their girlfriends) learned quickly to leave us alone All of these groups came together and/or left each other due to unwritten emergent social dynamics. You can never stop these clusters from forming. As long as you have groups/tribes, there will be people excluded based on the that tribe's values. Is that really so bad?
- emodendroket 9y agoHm, well, I don't know that I'd call those "tribes," and I (reasonably, I thought) interpreted "tribalism" to be ethnic or racial based on it appearing in a discussion of "Friends Are Genetically Similar."
- grzm 9y agoTribalism is sometimes used as a descriptor for general in-group/out-group behavior as well.
- emodendroket 9y agoYeah, of course that is true, but I was making what I thought was a reasonable reading in context. It seems like the OP is describing something more like groups of friends; you can't really be a member of multiple tribes, necessarily.