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the power to 'purge' actors exhibiting what in practice can be arbitrarily and fluidly defined (eg, cultural appropriation) is not a power i want anybody to hav

the power to 'purge' actors exhibiting what in practice can be arbitrarily and fluidly defined (eg, cultural appropriation) is not a power i want anybody to have.

naravara 9y ago
>the power to 'purge' actors exhibiting what in practice can be arbitrarily and fluidly defined (eg, cultural appropriation) is not a power i want anybody to have. It's a power everyone has. You should read Habermas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_sphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_sphere). The entire purpose of civil society is to draw the boundaries around what's acceptable and create the norms that allow people to work out their differences. Allowing your public sphere to be filled up with people hostile to the concept of being able to work out their differences leads to a breakdown in social order and the rise of totalitarianism.
- snerbles 9y ago
  When control of the modern public sphere is vested in the owners of social networks and internet infrastructure, that balance of power becomes rather lopsided.
  - naravara 9y ago
    >When control of the modern public sphere is vested in the owners of social networks and internet infrastructure, that balance of power becomes rather lopsided. Absolutely, but I'm not sure that's germane to this topic. That's an argument for why we should have open standards and be opposed to monopolies, it's not an argument for not having moderation. As it stands though, many social networks are dominated by the perspectives of a minority of technically savvy people with an abundance of free-time and a willingness to spam propaganda. They get away with it because these social networks were designed as ad platforms, so spamming propaganda in peoples' faces is literally why they exist and they don't want to invest too many resources into letting you control who gets to shove things in your face and who doesn't.
- ghrifter 9y ago
  having an account that is older than a year but markdowning your comment wow HN really has died. Just like reddit.
  - naravara 9y ago
    Ha. I actually drafted it in a markdown editor and pasted it over.

the power to 'purge' actors exhibiting what in practice can be arbitrarily and fluidly defined (eg, cultural appropriation) is not a power i want anybody to have.

naravara 9y ago

>the power to 'purge' actors exhibiting what in practice can be arbitrarily and fluidly defined (eg, cultural appropriation) is not a power i want anybody to have. It's a power everyone has. You should read Habermas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_sphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_sphere). The entire purpose of civil society is to draw the boundaries around what's acceptable and create the norms that allow people to work out their differences. Allowing your public sphere to be filled up with people hostile to the concept of being able to work out their differences leads to a breakdown in social order and the rise of totalitarianism.

snerbles 9y ago
When control of the modern public sphere is vested in the owners of social networks and internet infrastructure, that balance of power becomes rather lopsided.
- naravara 9y ago
  >When control of the modern public sphere is vested in the owners of social networks and internet infrastructure, that balance of power becomes rather lopsided. Absolutely, but I'm not sure that's germane to this topic. That's an argument for why we should have open standards and be opposed to monopolies, it's not an argument for not having moderation. As it stands though, many social networks are dominated by the perspectives of a minority of technically savvy people with an abundance of free-time and a willingness to spam propaganda. They get away with it because these social networks were designed as ad platforms, so spamming propaganda in peoples' faces is literally why they exist and they don't want to invest too many resources into letting you control who gets to shove things in your face and who doesn't.
ghrifter 9y ago
having an account that is older than a year but markdowning your comment wow HN really has died. Just like reddit.
- naravara 9y ago
  Ha. I actually drafted it in a markdown editor and pasted it over.