> If everyone started requiring the use of a dragnet surveillance program just to log in to services, it would become next to impossible to protect yourself. Y

> If everyone started requiring the use of a dragnet surveillance program just to log in to services, it would become next to impossible to protect yourself. Yes, this is true. If all websites start requiring their visitors to do something their visitors overwhelmingly don't want, the result would be something their visitors don't want. Kind of suggests that they won't do that, yes? We will probably have to agree to disagree here; you're imagining a world where oauth.fed.gov slowly becomes more and more widespread until it's ubiquitous and we have no other options, and that just doesn't sound realistic to me. (I think it would struggle for adoption even if it were implemented perfectly and had the best privacy controls possible, due to exactly the fears you're enumerating in this discussion) But we are talking about something hypothetical, so either of us could be right. At any rate thanks for arguing forcefully but staying respectful and on topic!