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I'm sorry, but an article like this should contain quotes or at least links to the actual text under discussion. Like this, it's only an opinion piece.

naraniano 9y ago
Mozilla is biased (towards open internet, liberalism, etc) so evidently this is an opinion piece--they are asking us to stop something they don't agree with!
- dispo001 9y ago
  what/where is the something?
  - naraniano 9y ago
    They explain it in TFA: https://changecopyright.org/en-US/ https://changecopyright.org/en-US/
    - hasenj 9y ago
      It's the same propaganda with no actual quotes from the proposed laws they are opposing.
r3bl 9y ago
I might be wrong, but I think that they haven't posted any actual text because the document(s) got leaked. If you're looking for a proper discussion about this and the actual text, EDRi (something like EU's EFF) is probably what you're looking for. They did an extensive coverage of this in the last couple of days and have published the leaked documents. Some links: https://edri.org/leaked-document-eu-presidency-calls-for-massive-internet-filtering/ https://edri.org/leaked-document-eu-presidency-calls-for-mas... https://edri.org/estonia-loves-digital-why-is-it-supporting-the-censorshipmachine/ https://edri.org/estonia-loves-digital-why-is-it-supporting-... https://edri.org/six-states-raise-concerns-about-legality-of-copyright-directive/ https://edri.org/six-states-raise-concerns-about-legality-of...
- vanderZwan 9y ago
  > I might be wrong, but I think that they haven't posted any actual text because the document(s) got leaked. You're wrong, but it's an easy mistake to make: the leak concerns the ongoing diplomatic discussions between the nations voting on the proposal: > According to a new leak, a number of EU Member States share our serious concerns about the proposal for mass surveillance and censorship of uploads to the internet in Europe, included in the European Commission’s proposal for a new copyright Directive. Those Member States seem unwilling to build a censorship machine forcing EU countries to adopt Google’s current practices. They highlight that such practices should not be implemented without making sure of the consequences for fundamental rights and for the rule of law. The leaked document contains a list of questions posed to the internal legal service of the Council of the EU, signed by six EU Member States: Belgium, the Czech Republic, Finland, Hungary, Ireland and the Netherlands. The proposed directive itself is, as with all such proposals, open and available for everyone in every official EU language: http://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/rep/1/2016/EN/1-2016-593-EN-F1-1.PDF http://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/rep/1/2016/EN/1-2016...
FuriouslyAdrift 9y ago
I think this is the directice in question: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52016PC0593&from=EN http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELE... Summary: https://iplens.org/tag/proposal-for-a-directive-on-copyright-in-the-digital-single-market/ https://iplens.org/tag/proposal-for-a-directive-on-copyright...
- notspanishflu 9y ago
  More info: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheprocedure.do?reference=2016/0280(COD)&l=en http://www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheprocedure.do?...
asymmetric 9y ago
I found this[0] (PDF) to be a good summarized critique of the proposal. This one[1] as well, although it's a bit longer. [0]: https://www.communia-association.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/COMMUNIAPositionPaperonNewRightsforPressPublishers-final.pdf https://www.communia-association.org/wp-content/uploads/2016... [1]: http://copyright4creativity.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/DCDSM-Article13-C4CFactsheet.pdf http://copyright4creativity.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/DC...
mehh 9y ago
Yes, not the first time for this style from Mozilla regarding copyright. Makes it hard to swallow their opinion as credible, when so obviously biased and non factual.
bigbugbag 9y ago
I do not trust mozilla. Try getting information from actual organization putting their money where their mouth is: European Copyright Reform: A New Directive Against Fundamental Freedoms[1]. See also: https://changecopyright.org/en-US/ https://changecopyright.org/en-US/ and https://netcommons.eu/sites/default/files/netcommons_eecc_notes_imco_itre.pdf https://netcommons.eu/sites/default/files/netcommons_eecc_no... [1]: https://www.laquadrature.net/en/node/10289 https://www.laquadrature.net/en/node/10289

naraniano 9y ago

Mozilla is biased (towards open internet, liberalism, etc) so evidently this is an opinion piece--they are asking us to stop something they don't agree with!

dispo001 9y ago
what/where is the something?
- naraniano 9y ago
  They explain it in TFA: https://changecopyright.org/en-US/ https://changecopyright.org/en-US/
  - hasenj 9y ago
    It's the same propaganda with no actual quotes from the proposed laws they are opposing.

r3bl 9y ago

I might be wrong, but I think that they haven't posted any actual text because the document(s) got leaked. If you're looking for a proper discussion about this and the actual text, EDRi (something like EU's EFF) is probably what you're looking for. They did an extensive coverage of this in the last couple of days and have published the leaked documents. Some links: https://edri.org/leaked-document-eu-presidency-calls-for-massive-internet-filtering/ https://edri.org/leaked-document-eu-presidency-calls-for-mas... https://edri.org/estonia-loves-digital-why-is-it-supporting-the-censorshipmachine/ https://edri.org/estonia-loves-digital-why-is-it-supporting-... https://edri.org/six-states-raise-concerns-about-legality-of-copyright-directive/ https://edri.org/six-states-raise-concerns-about-legality-of...

vanderZwan 9y ago
> I might be wrong, but I think that they haven't posted any actual text because the document(s) got leaked. You're wrong, but it's an easy mistake to make: the leak concerns the ongoing diplomatic discussions between the nations voting on the proposal: > According to a new leak, a number of EU Member States share our serious concerns about the proposal for mass surveillance and censorship of uploads to the internet in Europe, included in the European Commission’s proposal for a new copyright Directive. Those Member States seem unwilling to build a censorship machine forcing EU countries to adopt Google’s current practices. They highlight that such practices should not be implemented without making sure of the consequences for fundamental rights and for the rule of law. The leaked document contains a list of questions posed to the internal legal service of the Council of the EU, signed by six EU Member States: Belgium, the Czech Republic, Finland, Hungary, Ireland and the Netherlands. The proposed directive itself is, as with all such proposals, open and available for everyone in every official EU language: http://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/rep/1/2016/EN/1-2016-593-EN-F1-1.PDF http://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/rep/1/2016/EN/1-2016...

FuriouslyAdrift 9y ago

I think this is the directice in question: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52016PC0593&from=EN http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELE... Summary: https://iplens.org/tag/proposal-for-a-directive-on-copyright-in-the-digital-single-market/ https://iplens.org/tag/proposal-for-a-directive-on-copyright...

notspanishflu 9y ago
More info: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheprocedure.do?reference=2016/0280(COD)&l=en http://www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheprocedure.do?...

asymmetric 9y ago

I found this[0] (PDF) to be a good summarized critique of the proposal. This one[1] as well, although it's a bit longer. [0]: https://www.communia-association.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/COMMUNIAPositionPaperonNewRightsforPressPublishers-final.pdf https://www.communia-association.org/wp-content/uploads/2016... [1]: http://copyright4creativity.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/DCDSM-Article13-C4CFactsheet.pdf http://copyright4creativity.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/DC...

mehh 9y ago

Yes, not the first time for this style from Mozilla regarding copyright. Makes it hard to swallow their opinion as credible, when so obviously biased and non factual.

bigbugbag 9y ago

I do not trust mozilla. Try getting information from actual organization putting their money where their mouth is: European Copyright Reform: A New Directive Against Fundamental Freedoms[1]. See also: https://changecopyright.org/en-US/ https://changecopyright.org/en-US/ and https://netcommons.eu/sites/default/files/netcommons_eecc_notes_imco_itre.pdf https://netcommons.eu/sites/default/files/netcommons_eecc_no... [1]: https://www.laquadrature.net/en/node/10289 https://www.laquadrature.net/en/node/10289