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Indeed, we no longer worry about food, safety and survival and instead our sadness is directed at irrelevant application binary file sizes.

vim_wannabe 9y ago
Drop every other issue right now! /s
astrobe_ 9y ago
It becomes relevant when one doesn't intentionally interpret it in the wrong level of Maslow's hierarchy.
- wiz21c 9y ago
  Maslow ? You mean the guy behind the obsolete stuff ? Or the guy who let another one torture monkeys ? http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/135050849743004 http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/135050849743004 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow
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ehnto 9y ago
We can be sad at more than one thing at a time. I am not overly sad about binary file sizes myself, but I wouldn't say they are irrelevant just because other issues exist, and the original comment is just using a turn of phrase. I doubt they really think this is cause for great concern.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >We can be sad at more than one thing at a time. Only if it makes sense as a concern. Else we're just being grumpy.
hasenj 9y ago
The sadness does not step from the size of a random binary file per se. The sad part is the prevalence of attitudes deemed unprofessional among people of a certain profession. It's sad for example, that with all the technologies available to us, to imagine what we could have, and compare it with what we do have.
- lallysingh 9y ago
  It wouldn't help. If we spent more engineering effort on efficiencies that don't have a substantive effect on consumer response, we're just being inefficient with our time. That will result in less capable software, higher big counts, or higher software prices. Software is written with budgets, and nothing is free.
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    That's only true if you believe focusing things with " substantive effect on consumer response" is the right thing to do. It sounds like a good heuristic in theory, but the practice clearly shows that we ought to be able to do better than that. I mean, if only fraction of the effort that goes towards making things shiny and sexy went towards making them efficient and actually useful, the computing world would be better, for no loss in actual capabilities (and likely great gains).
    - zimpenfish 9y ago
      > That's only true if you believe focusing things with " substantive effect on consumer response" is the right thing to do. I like eating. Which means I like getting paid. Which means the companies I work for have to focus on things like "substantive effect on consumer response" to keep getting money to pay me.
      - davexunit 9y ago
        Adding this to the list of anecdotes about why capitalism must end.
      - 9y ago
osteele 9y ago
I wonder whether the idea of “waste” is triggered by different things for different people, and evokes a moral response.
eeZah7Ux 9y ago
> we no longer worry about food, safety and survival Do "we"? You are denying the existence of millions or billions of people who worry about food, safety and survival. Including the ones that work very hard at manufacturing phones so powerful that you don't care about the size of that 40MB app.
- s73ver_ 9y ago
  The vast majority of people who have the luxury and time to comment on an internet message board on a discussion about the size of binaries are not having to worry about that.
Dirlewanger 9y ago
People need to stop pulling these "well what about x?" red herrings in an attempt to undermine the discussion.
- s73ver_ 9y ago
  People also need to stop complaining about things that really are not a problem.
  - flukus 9y ago
    It is really a problem, I'm out of space on my phone due to bloat and it prevents my installing new apps. Sometimes just to update I have to get rid of apps. If you make money off apps then this should concern you. The next causality is going to be the local sports league, there app has bloated to use 130MB just to show news, ladders and videos. After I uninstall it I'll be much less engaged with the product they are trying to sell me, all because a bloated binary.
cdata 9y ago
Hardly irrelevant. It's the very people who do worry about food, safety, survival for whom app binary size matters the most. Your users live everywhere on Earth that has a network connection, and in some of those places there are millions or more who consider that connection a scarce, valuable resource.

vim_wannabe 9y ago

Drop every other issue right now! /s

astrobe_ 9y ago

It becomes relevant when one doesn't intentionally interpret it in the wrong level of Maslow's hierarchy.

wiz21c 9y ago
Maslow ? You mean the guy behind the obsolete stuff ? Or the guy who let another one torture monkeys ? http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/135050849743004 http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/135050849743004 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow
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ehnto 9y ago

We can be sad at more than one thing at a time. I am not overly sad about binary file sizes myself, but I wouldn't say they are irrelevant just because other issues exist, and the original comment is just using a turn of phrase. I doubt they really think this is cause for great concern.

coldtea 9y ago
>We can be sad at more than one thing at a time. Only if it makes sense as a concern. Else we're just being grumpy.

hasenj 9y ago

The sadness does not step from the size of a random binary file per se. The sad part is the prevalence of attitudes deemed unprofessional among people of a certain profession. It's sad for example, that with all the technologies available to us, to imagine what we could have, and compare it with what we do have.

lallysingh 9y ago
It wouldn't help. If we spent more engineering effort on efficiencies that don't have a substantive effect on consumer response, we're just being inefficient with our time. That will result in less capable software, higher big counts, or higher software prices. Software is written with budgets, and nothing is free.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  That's only true if you believe focusing things with " substantive effect on consumer response" is the right thing to do. It sounds like a good heuristic in theory, but the practice clearly shows that we ought to be able to do better than that. I mean, if only fraction of the effort that goes towards making things shiny and sexy went towards making them efficient and actually useful, the computing world would be better, for no loss in actual capabilities (and likely great gains).
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    > That's only true if you believe focusing things with " substantive effect on consumer response" is the right thing to do. I like eating. Which means I like getting paid. Which means the companies I work for have to focus on things like "substantive effect on consumer response" to keep getting money to pay me.
    - davexunit 9y ago
      Adding this to the list of anecdotes about why capitalism must end.
    - 9y ago

osteele 9y ago

I wonder whether the idea of “waste” is triggered by different things for different people, and evokes a moral response.

eeZah7Ux 9y ago

> we no longer worry about food, safety and survival Do "we"? You are denying the existence of millions or billions of people who worry about food, safety and survival. Including the ones that work very hard at manufacturing phones so powerful that you don't care about the size of that 40MB app.

s73ver_ 9y ago
The vast majority of people who have the luxury and time to comment on an internet message board on a discussion about the size of binaries are not having to worry about that.

Dirlewanger 9y ago

People need to stop pulling these "well what about x?" red herrings in an attempt to undermine the discussion.

s73ver_ 9y ago
People also need to stop complaining about things that really are not a problem.
- flukus 9y ago
  It is really a problem, I'm out of space on my phone due to bloat and it prevents my installing new apps. Sometimes just to update I have to get rid of apps. If you make money off apps then this should concern you. The next causality is going to be the local sports league, there app has bloated to use 130MB just to show news, ladders and videos. After I uninstall it I'll be much less engaged with the product they are trying to sell me, all because a bloated binary.

cdata 9y ago

Hardly irrelevant. It's the very people who do worry about food, safety, survival for whom app binary size matters the most. Your users live everywhere on Earth that has a network connection, and in some of those places there are millions or more who consider that connection a scarce, valuable resource.