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>If anything there is a regression with the absence of TouchID. FaceID fulfills that role.

mtgx 9y ago
All face authentication schemes are a joke and can be broken soon after release. Fingerprint auth can be broken, too, but it's orders of magnitude more difficult to "clone" someone's fingerprint than it is to copy one of their pictures from the internet, or from a CCTV camera, etc. Even if the system uses infrared or 3D images or whatever, it's just a matter of developing an advanced enough algorithm to deal with that, which shouldn't take that long if the target market is there (hundreds of millions of iphones with such an auth system).
- yladiz 9y ago
  If someone is going to 3D print your face, they're determined enough to get into your phone regardless.
  - supermdguy 9y ago
    Even the FBI had trouble getting into an iPhone. 3D printing a face might be a real solution in situations like that. Of course, for the average person, face id is probably just as secure as touch.
    - yladiz 9y ago
      It will still have the same constraints as normal TouchID, so it will lock after 48 (72?) hrs and will only unlock with passcode. It might be marginally easier for FBI but I imagine 3D printing an acceptable face will be tough, especially if it uses IR on top of 3D cameras.
- bluthru 9y ago
  >All face authentication schemes are a joke So were fingerprint scanners before Apple's take on it. >but it's orders of magnitude more difficult to "clone" someone's fingerprint You can do this by taking a photo of a finger or lifting a print. >copy one of their pictures from the internet, or from a CCTV camera, etc. A 2d photo won't unlock FaceID. There are 3D sensors on the front for a reason. >Even if the system uses infrared or 3D images or whatever, it's just a matter of developing an advanced enough algorithm to deal with that, which shouldn't take that long if the target market is there (hundreds of millions of iphones with such an auth system). And you think 3D printing a skull, eyes, and possibly blood vessels is easier than copying a finger? Why do you act like you know so much about something that hasn't been tested in the wild?
noncoml 9y ago
Will it be as reliable and fast as TouchID?
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- bluthru 9y ago
  Apple isn't going to take a step back on a $1000 phone.
- taternuts 9y ago
  TouchID is amazingly reliable and fast, unless your hands are sweaty or greasy at all. In this case, almost every single time I have to click the home button multiple times until it stops trying to read my print and show the pin prompt for manual entry. Even then, it'll sometimes register the previous click (which is supposed to just bring up the pin screen) as a fingerprint unlock attempt, and will attempt to fill in the pin again right in the middle of me manually entering it, making it fail 3 or more times before I can enter my pin. I've tried disabling it completely in favor of the pin, but in all honesty the 90% of the time my hands aren't sweaty or greasy it works so much faster that I just deal with the 10% and keep it enabled. These could just be sweaty guy problems, but I'm definitely looking forward to face unlock.

mtgx 9y ago

All face authentication schemes are a joke and can be broken soon after release. Fingerprint auth can be broken, too, but it's orders of magnitude more difficult to "clone" someone's fingerprint than it is to copy one of their pictures from the internet, or from a CCTV camera, etc. Even if the system uses infrared or 3D images or whatever, it's just a matter of developing an advanced enough algorithm to deal with that, which shouldn't take that long if the target market is there (hundreds of millions of iphones with such an auth system).

yladiz 9y ago
If someone is going to 3D print your face, they're determined enough to get into your phone regardless.
- supermdguy 9y ago
  Even the FBI had trouble getting into an iPhone. 3D printing a face might be a real solution in situations like that. Of course, for the average person, face id is probably just as secure as touch.
  - yladiz 9y ago
    It will still have the same constraints as normal TouchID, so it will lock after 48 (72?) hrs and will only unlock with passcode. It might be marginally easier for FBI but I imagine 3D printing an acceptable face will be tough, especially if it uses IR on top of 3D cameras.
bluthru 9y ago
>All face authentication schemes are a joke So were fingerprint scanners before Apple's take on it. >but it's orders of magnitude more difficult to "clone" someone's fingerprint You can do this by taking a photo of a finger or lifting a print. >copy one of their pictures from the internet, or from a CCTV camera, etc. A 2d photo won't unlock FaceID. There are 3D sensors on the front for a reason. >Even if the system uses infrared or 3D images or whatever, it's just a matter of developing an advanced enough algorithm to deal with that, which shouldn't take that long if the target market is there (hundreds of millions of iphones with such an auth system). And you think 3D printing a skull, eyes, and possibly blood vessels is easier than copying a finger? Why do you act like you know so much about something that hasn't been tested in the wild?

noncoml 9y ago

Will it be as reliable and fast as TouchID?

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bluthru 9y ago
Apple isn't going to take a step back on a $1000 phone.
taternuts 9y ago
TouchID is amazingly reliable and fast, unless your hands are sweaty or greasy at all. In this case, almost every single time I have to click the home button multiple times until it stops trying to read my print and show the pin prompt for manual entry. Even then, it'll sometimes register the previous click (which is supposed to just bring up the pin screen) as a fingerprint unlock attempt, and will attempt to fill in the pin again right in the middle of me manually entering it, making it fail 3 or more times before I can enter my pin. I've tried disabling it completely in favor of the pin, but in all honesty the 90% of the time my hands aren't sweaty or greasy it works so much faster that I just deal with the 10% and keep it enabled. These could just be sweaty guy problems, but I'm definitely looking forward to face unlock.