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Previously, if you bought a Plus, upgraded the storage you also hit the $1000 mark quite easily. Apple can't do much wrong: removed the audio jack did not hurt

Previously, if you bought a Plus, upgraded the storage you also hit the $1000 mark quite easily. Apple can't do much wrong: removed the audio jack did not hurt iPhone sales. The new mac book pro, ridiculously priced, a very 'particular' keyboard, was the fastest selling laptop ever. If you see the reactions on let's say, The Verge, on any post regarding new Apple products - it's insane. So I think Apple is still in a very comfortable position to keep on doing this artificial pricing for the time being, and for the foreseeable future as well - and get away with it. Their tandem of hard & software, though much flawed, still seems to be worth the premium price for many people. They have me because of OSX but I won't stand another crappy laptop of them anymore.

racl101 9y ago
Yep, still doesn't get better than OSX.
- nikofeyn 9y ago
  as a user of both windows and mac os x, what do you truly like about mac os x that you prefer it so heavily over windows?
  - ianai 9y ago
    For one, Mac OS does multiple displays and DPIs right. The trackpad is also solid. Plus the unix stuff that's always been there and isn't some subsystem only available with certain versions of windows. Also, the boot up and sign in process sucks in Windows vs Mac. Once I'm given a mouse cursor post-signon I'm ready to go in Mac OS. With Windows, I've got to wait for the AV to load up and do it's "routine". Then there's the probability of Windows Updates working the first time. And then there's the Windows telemetry stuff. Apple's actually talking about ways to incorporate identity anonymization (sp?) into its browser. They've stayed out of trying to reap side income off device usage in multiple ways.
    - naraniano 9y ago
      Windows since the Creators Update also does multiple displays and DPIs right. By the way, support for that is completely non-existant on Linux.
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      - majewsky 9y ago
        "that" as in multi-monitor support? Multi-monitor works fine on my Plasma desktop since at least 2012. Can't comment on high-DPI, but from what I've heard it's in the "getting there" stage.
        naraniano 9y ago
        Multi-monitor works fine. Single monitor, high DPI is very tricky, and barely works, never consistently (like, GNOME looks fine, but Firefox looks tiny). Multi-monitor, where every monitor has a different DPI value, has absolutely no support.
        mschulze 9y ago
        I am using my Dell XPS 13 with a resolution of 1920x1080 (scaled from 3200x1800) for the internal display and an external display with native 1920x1080 and cannot confirm this. It works pretty well (GNOME3, Ubuntu 17.04). Firefox is not tiny. I did not change anything in my X config files.
        majewsky 9y ago
        You mean you changed the resolution of your internal screen with xrandr? Or does xrandr still report 3200x1800? If not, then this is not a HiDPI setup. HiDPI is (basically) when applications draw using internal coordinates that are not "1 screen pixel per logical pixel", but more than that.
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  - grantcox 9y ago
    I've recently started using Windows again on a gaming computer. Here are the problems I found, that felt "ugh, Windows": - I'm now used to the "inverse mouse scrolling". To enable this for my mouse (logitech something?) I needed to edit the registry. Every time I plug it into a new USB port it's now a new device with a new registry entry to hack. - I installed the various device drivers that came with my hardware. The Realtek on-motherboard network card had some driver, which actually stopped the hardware from working - Microsoft's own standard driver was better. But every time I rebooted, Windows would helpfully install the "updated" driver from it's local cache. I ended up fixing this by setting the permissions on some c:\windows\system32 file to such that the system itself could not update it I'm also not yet familiar with the changes to the Start menu and Windows Explorer, so those also feel confusing. But it's a gaming computer, I turn it on, play games, then turn it off. Presumably if it was a development workstation I'd have more opinions on the rest of it.
    - jmanderley 9y ago
      I'd say you're Windowsing wrong if you changed system file permissions to stop a driver from installing.
    - 5_minutes 9y ago
      Sounds like hell and Windows xp
      - intoverflow2 9y ago
        Yeah but if you actually want a powerful machine it's your only option these days. Apple don't sell anything remotely at the level of PC hardware, even if money is no object. I got forced into going Windows for GPU powered 3D rendering because Apple isn't interested in my business.
    - jeeva 9y ago
      If the mouse supports Logitech Setpoint, it might be worth installing it - I believe it has the reverse scrolling setting at a device level (though I've not tested those conditions exactly).
  - visarga 9y ago
    I don't think OSX is superior, just the touchpad. It seems that most touchpads are insensitive to high precision touches (small movements), while the Apple touchpad is in a class of its own.
  - chadcmulligan 9y ago
    The macbook trackpad it is so wonderful. I'm watching something on youtube, I'll just flick it over to the apple tv by pressing airplay - it's magical. My backups go to a time capsule - install time a couple of minutes, it just works, it sits there in the cupboard and I never have to think about backups. When my phone rings and its across the room, I can answer on my Mac. I seldom (never?) have to worry about reinstalling device drivers. Everything works, all the time, on my windows laptop somethings don't work and I have to do convoluted things to make them work - e.g. pdf's no longer open in adobe reader, I keep saying yes make adobe reader the default but it never works, I've never looked into it cause who cares. With my mac I seldom have to fiddle with something because it's not working - it is a lot smoother experience, with windows bits are broken everywhere and I just work around them. Edit: oh also the 2d graphics are so much nicer and crisper - core graphics makes gdi/gdi+/direct2D a joke (I spend a lot of time writing graphics code), cocoa is superior.
    - fauigerzigerk 9y ago
      I'm a Mac user as well, but I can't say I like macOS. Just like every OS it accumulates brokenness and it has lots of quirks. My reminder alerts are being triggered at arbitrary times. I followed every advice on the support forums. Nothing works. Now the recommendation is to reinstall macOS. I have replaced the magic mouse with a wired Logitech mouse because bluetooth keeps draining the mouse battery too quickly. I wanted to buy a wired Apple keyboard for the same reason, but they no longer sell one without a number pad (which makes the keyboard far too wide) After waking from sleep my Mac takes awfully long to become responsive. I just keep hitting those keys until they show up. Then I delete all the buffered keystrokes and start entering my password. Stupid, I know. Don't get me started on Apple Mail... Time capsule doesn't make much sense as a backup solution if its in the same physical place as the Mac itself. You're just one burglary or fire away from losing all your data. I use spideroak which works on any OS. I like Swift, but Xcode is by far the worst IDE I have ever used. It keeps crashing. The much-vaunted "playgrounds" are a useless, annoying toy. It is slower than you think possible, always indexing something. It can't rename Swift functions and classes (This "advanced" feature is coming this month I think). It doesn't even have a built-in shortcut (or a mappable command) to delete the current line. I haven't used Windows in many years and I have no idea if its any better. I guess I will try once my mac mini expires, because I'm certainly not going to hand over thousands to Apple for a MacBook or buy a "new" mini that has almost exactly the same specs as the one I bought 5 years ago. What I like about macOS is that it rarely has driver issues (I did have one wi-fi issue a while ago though). That's what keeps me away from Linux.
  - pseudonym 9y ago
    For me personally, 90% of it boils down to "unix baseline". I do most of my development work remotely on linux servers of varying flavors, but OSX + homebrew means that I can pretty easily use the tools I write for one machine on my local systems as well. Beyond that, I've just got a lot of random applications for streamlining my workflow and day-to-day usage that would take a long time to find equivalent tools for, and I'm long past the days when "spending a weekend fucking with settings" was something I want to do. OSX, I just back up my machines and if/when I need to replace them, it's just "plug the new one into the backup drive, restore from backup". Maybe someday the year of the linux desktop will actually happen, but I'm not holding my breath either.
  - raverbashing 9y ago
    Windows has a lot of minor issues that really get in the way Not to mention that since it's more popular every device manufacturer wants to "customize" your experience with some BS app, the amount of bad practices in app development is abundant (remember when Windows 2000/XP came out how long did it take developers to make their products run without being Administrator? And then with Vista?) MS helps developers, shames them sometimes (IIRC Vista had a "Windows is not shutting down because of this app ) and sometimes "virtualizes" things so developers can still not clean up after themselves, but it gets old.
  - kalleboo 9y ago
    I only rarely have to use Windows but every time I'm just so annoyed at how terrible the file browser (Explorer) is. Why the heck are folders sorted on top of files? It makes no sense and means you can't just jump to filenames with the keyboard. No QuickLook (this is a huge one. browsing through files is made 10x faster with QuickLook). No column browser.
    - saiya-jin 9y ago
      if you get used to Total commander, you will never, ever go back to that joke of a tool named Explorer and its ridiculous workflow. Working with 2 panes was better since Norton commander during DOS times (actually many more with tabs these days). I can do anything on file system 10x faster than any colleague with Explorer, including file comparisons, altering files directly in archives, network accesses and so much more. There is no good enough equivalent in Linux/Mac world. I don't understand why more people in tech don't use it more. We can discuss many different tools and their + and -, but this one simply doesn't have an equal.
  - lagadu 9y ago
    Like another user mentioned: the trackpad. Particularly the software aspect of it. I have a personal 2012 macbook air and a lenovo thinkpad whatever from work. If I have to use the trackpad on windows I'm miserable. It's just so bad, the OS itself isn't made with it in mind: things like dragging and click-holding don't work anywhere near as well as it does on the macbook, the multi finger gestures are a miserable experience; I spend most of my time frustrated that I don't have a mouse. Compare it to the macbook: I do have a magic mouse somewhere but I haven't used in years; it offers me no better experience than that amazing trackpad support does. This isn't even related to trackpad hardware because the experience was equally bad when I ran windows on the macbook using bootcamp. The Windows trackpad experience is just years behind OSX. edit: as a related sidenote, I'm planning on dumping the macbook next year becase it's aging (4gb ram doesn't cut anymore). I'm planning on replacing it with a MS Surface; I found that touchscreen+pen are a suitable replacement for the macbook trackpad when you're on the go for my type of usage.
  - discordance 9y ago
    I'm also a user of both Windows 10 and Mac OS X. In no particular order, here's why I prefer OS X: No advertising built into OS X on a fresh install. No default collection of usage. Faster boot times, faster wake up from sleep and faster shut down (ever been stuck on shutdown?). Forced updates, with a count down to save my work before a forced reboot (seriously, what decade is this?!). Windows Trackpads suck compared to Mac (even with the Precision Touchpad enabled laptops... and so much more.
  - tagurit 9y ago
    UX on both platforms are pretty horrendous. But windows, especially the newer versions, is even worse imo. It's way too "in your face" and has extra nonsense that adds no purpose. Changing settings is unnecessarily complicated unless you have already done it in the past. Tiles in the start menu. Shortcuts are less efficient than macOS (switching tabs, closing apps, etc). And more. Ofc you can customize these, but I'd rather not. And it takes me a good amount of time to research if 3rd party apps are safe and secure especially on windows
  - racl101 9y ago
    Well, for starters: - That it has Unix and its tools underneath - That app guis look consistently good on it (although I will admit that Windows has caught up to Mac OS X in this regard) - That I don't have to worry about catching viruses as easily when browsing the Internet. Yes, I know there are viruses for Mac, but I've not come across them. Not the same with Windows. In fact, I made the switch after catching a nasty one using Windows Vista and losing more than half of my stuff. - A corollary is not having to use Antivirus on a Mac - That even though Macs have little in terms of specs, that the OS doesn't fucking lag something fierce. Last Windows I used, Windows 8, was still a memory hog for a machine having twice the RAM as my Mac. It was a work machine, not a personal machine. And Most importantly, that I don't have to worry about maintaining the machine for all the aforementioned reasons and that I just get stuff done.
DigitalJack 9y ago
My wife has one of the new ones with the "particular" keyboard. I think it's okay (the keyboard), but it's pretty noisy.
- Jack000 9y ago
  I hated it at first but started liking it after a few weeks. 9 months later I kind of hate it again. You get used to the short travel, and the clickiness is very pleasant. The problem I have now is that sometimes you can feel a click and it doesn't trigger - most commonly with the arrow keys. Also occasionally a few keys would "jam" and not fully click. Overall my typing speed and accuracy has definitely decreased.
  - visarga 9y ago
    Yeah, but it's 2 mm thinner. /s
- eknkc 9y ago
  The "particular" keyboard is actually quite good to use. I like the way I type on this one. However it's not reliable. A single speck of dust under the keycap then you have misfires. Keys get mushy for no reason, get stuck etc. My b key does not work reliably now for example.
  - kalleboo 9y ago
    Yeah I really like the feel of it, but my "n" key has stopped working twice already (within a month of purchase!) - I've "massaged" it back to life both times with firm pressing. That reminds me I need to order compressed air from Amazon. Can I bill that to Apple I wonder
    - eknkc 9y ago
      I disassembled "n" a couple weeks ago, not just removing the keycap, but the entire butterfly mechanism. Cleaned up then reattached using glue. Works fine now. As far as I can tell, the mechanism is too fragile / shitty. There is a single metal dome below the key which acts like the spring and actuator. Butterfly thing is there to keep the keycap in place and distribute pressure so if you hit a corner it directs that to the dome thingy. That metal dome seems to have an issue with heat as most people report problems when the device heats up. Maybe it expands. If you look at the contacts below it looks like there is too little margin for error. I think this keyboard is gonna create a lot of issues in the long term.

racl101 9y ago

Yep, still doesn't get better than OSX.

nikofeyn 9y ago
as a user of both windows and mac os x, what do you truly like about mac os x that you prefer it so heavily over windows?
- ianai 9y ago
  For one, Mac OS does multiple displays and DPIs right. The trackpad is also solid. Plus the unix stuff that's always been there and isn't some subsystem only available with certain versions of windows. Also, the boot up and sign in process sucks in Windows vs Mac. Once I'm given a mouse cursor post-signon I'm ready to go in Mac OS. With Windows, I've got to wait for the AV to load up and do it's "routine". Then there's the probability of Windows Updates working the first time. And then there's the Windows telemetry stuff. Apple's actually talking about ways to incorporate identity anonymization (sp?) into its browser. They've stayed out of trying to reap side income off device usage in multiple ways.
  - naraniano 9y ago
    Windows since the Creators Update also does multiple displays and DPIs right. By the way, support for that is completely non-existant on Linux.
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    - majewsky 9y ago
      "that" as in multi-monitor support? Multi-monitor works fine on my Plasma desktop since at least 2012. Can't comment on high-DPI, but from what I've heard it's in the "getting there" stage.
      - naraniano 9y ago
        Multi-monitor works fine. Single monitor, high DPI is very tricky, and barely works, never consistently (like, GNOME looks fine, but Firefox looks tiny). Multi-monitor, where every monitor has a different DPI value, has absolutely no support.
        mschulze 9y ago
        I am using my Dell XPS 13 with a resolution of 1920x1080 (scaled from 3200x1800) for the internal display and an external display with native 1920x1080 and cannot confirm this. It works pretty well (GNOME3, Ubuntu 17.04). Firefox is not tiny. I did not change anything in my X config files.
        majewsky 9y ago
        You mean you changed the resolution of your internal screen with xrandr? Or does xrandr still report 3200x1800? If not, then this is not a HiDPI setup. HiDPI is (basically) when applications draw using internal coordinates that are not "1 screen pixel per logical pixel", but more than that.
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- grantcox 9y ago
  I've recently started using Windows again on a gaming computer. Here are the problems I found, that felt "ugh, Windows": - I'm now used to the "inverse mouse scrolling". To enable this for my mouse (logitech something?) I needed to edit the registry. Every time I plug it into a new USB port it's now a new device with a new registry entry to hack. - I installed the various device drivers that came with my hardware. The Realtek on-motherboard network card had some driver, which actually stopped the hardware from working - Microsoft's own standard driver was better. But every time I rebooted, Windows would helpfully install the "updated" driver from it's local cache. I ended up fixing this by setting the permissions on some c:\windows\system32 file to such that the system itself could not update it I'm also not yet familiar with the changes to the Start menu and Windows Explorer, so those also feel confusing. But it's a gaming computer, I turn it on, play games, then turn it off. Presumably if it was a development workstation I'd have more opinions on the rest of it.
  - jmanderley 9y ago
    I'd say you're Windowsing wrong if you changed system file permissions to stop a driver from installing.
  - 5_minutes 9y ago
    Sounds like hell and Windows xp
    - intoverflow2 9y ago
      Yeah but if you actually want a powerful machine it's your only option these days. Apple don't sell anything remotely at the level of PC hardware, even if money is no object. I got forced into going Windows for GPU powered 3D rendering because Apple isn't interested in my business.
  - jeeva 9y ago
    If the mouse supports Logitech Setpoint, it might be worth installing it - I believe it has the reverse scrolling setting at a device level (though I've not tested those conditions exactly).
- visarga 9y ago
  I don't think OSX is superior, just the touchpad. It seems that most touchpads are insensitive to high precision touches (small movements), while the Apple touchpad is in a class of its own.
- chadcmulligan 9y ago
  The macbook trackpad it is so wonderful. I'm watching something on youtube, I'll just flick it over to the apple tv by pressing airplay - it's magical. My backups go to a time capsule - install time a couple of minutes, it just works, it sits there in the cupboard and I never have to think about backups. When my phone rings and its across the room, I can answer on my Mac. I seldom (never?) have to worry about reinstalling device drivers. Everything works, all the time, on my windows laptop somethings don't work and I have to do convoluted things to make them work - e.g. pdf's no longer open in adobe reader, I keep saying yes make adobe reader the default but it never works, I've never looked into it cause who cares. With my mac I seldom have to fiddle with something because it's not working - it is a lot smoother experience, with windows bits are broken everywhere and I just work around them. Edit: oh also the 2d graphics are so much nicer and crisper - core graphics makes gdi/gdi+/direct2D a joke (I spend a lot of time writing graphics code), cocoa is superior.
  - fauigerzigerk 9y ago
    I'm a Mac user as well, but I can't say I like macOS. Just like every OS it accumulates brokenness and it has lots of quirks. My reminder alerts are being triggered at arbitrary times. I followed every advice on the support forums. Nothing works. Now the recommendation is to reinstall macOS. I have replaced the magic mouse with a wired Logitech mouse because bluetooth keeps draining the mouse battery too quickly. I wanted to buy a wired Apple keyboard for the same reason, but they no longer sell one without a number pad (which makes the keyboard far too wide) After waking from sleep my Mac takes awfully long to become responsive. I just keep hitting those keys until they show up. Then I delete all the buffered keystrokes and start entering my password. Stupid, I know. Don't get me started on Apple Mail... Time capsule doesn't make much sense as a backup solution if its in the same physical place as the Mac itself. You're just one burglary or fire away from losing all your data. I use spideroak which works on any OS. I like Swift, but Xcode is by far the worst IDE I have ever used. It keeps crashing. The much-vaunted "playgrounds" are a useless, annoying toy. It is slower than you think possible, always indexing something. It can't rename Swift functions and classes (This "advanced" feature is coming this month I think). It doesn't even have a built-in shortcut (or a mappable command) to delete the current line. I haven't used Windows in many years and I have no idea if its any better. I guess I will try once my mac mini expires, because I'm certainly not going to hand over thousands to Apple for a MacBook or buy a "new" mini that has almost exactly the same specs as the one I bought 5 years ago. What I like about macOS is that it rarely has driver issues (I did have one wi-fi issue a while ago though). That's what keeps me away from Linux.
- pseudonym 9y ago
  For me personally, 90% of it boils down to "unix baseline". I do most of my development work remotely on linux servers of varying flavors, but OSX + homebrew means that I can pretty easily use the tools I write for one machine on my local systems as well. Beyond that, I've just got a lot of random applications for streamlining my workflow and day-to-day usage that would take a long time to find equivalent tools for, and I'm long past the days when "spending a weekend fucking with settings" was something I want to do. OSX, I just back up my machines and if/when I need to replace them, it's just "plug the new one into the backup drive, restore from backup". Maybe someday the year of the linux desktop will actually happen, but I'm not holding my breath either.
- raverbashing 9y ago
  Windows has a lot of minor issues that really get in the way Not to mention that since it's more popular every device manufacturer wants to "customize" your experience with some BS app, the amount of bad practices in app development is abundant (remember when Windows 2000/XP came out how long did it take developers to make their products run without being Administrator? And then with Vista?) MS helps developers, shames them sometimes (IIRC Vista had a "Windows is not shutting down because of this app ) and sometimes "virtualizes" things so developers can still not clean up after themselves, but it gets old.
- kalleboo 9y ago
  I only rarely have to use Windows but every time I'm just so annoyed at how terrible the file browser (Explorer) is. Why the heck are folders sorted on top of files? It makes no sense and means you can't just jump to filenames with the keyboard. No QuickLook (this is a huge one. browsing through files is made 10x faster with QuickLook). No column browser.
  - saiya-jin 9y ago
    if you get used to Total commander, you will never, ever go back to that joke of a tool named Explorer and its ridiculous workflow. Working with 2 panes was better since Norton commander during DOS times (actually many more with tabs these days). I can do anything on file system 10x faster than any colleague with Explorer, including file comparisons, altering files directly in archives, network accesses and so much more. There is no good enough equivalent in Linux/Mac world. I don't understand why more people in tech don't use it more. We can discuss many different tools and their + and -, but this one simply doesn't have an equal.
- lagadu 9y ago
  Like another user mentioned: the trackpad. Particularly the software aspect of it. I have a personal 2012 macbook air and a lenovo thinkpad whatever from work. If I have to use the trackpad on windows I'm miserable. It's just so bad, the OS itself isn't made with it in mind: things like dragging and click-holding don't work anywhere near as well as it does on the macbook, the multi finger gestures are a miserable experience; I spend most of my time frustrated that I don't have a mouse. Compare it to the macbook: I do have a magic mouse somewhere but I haven't used in years; it offers me no better experience than that amazing trackpad support does. This isn't even related to trackpad hardware because the experience was equally bad when I ran windows on the macbook using bootcamp. The Windows trackpad experience is just years behind OSX. edit: as a related sidenote, I'm planning on dumping the macbook next year becase it's aging (4gb ram doesn't cut anymore). I'm planning on replacing it with a MS Surface; I found that touchscreen+pen are a suitable replacement for the macbook trackpad when you're on the go for my type of usage.
- discordance 9y ago
  I'm also a user of both Windows 10 and Mac OS X. In no particular order, here's why I prefer OS X: No advertising built into OS X on a fresh install. No default collection of usage. Faster boot times, faster wake up from sleep and faster shut down (ever been stuck on shutdown?). Forced updates, with a count down to save my work before a forced reboot (seriously, what decade is this?!). Windows Trackpads suck compared to Mac (even with the Precision Touchpad enabled laptops... and so much more.
- tagurit 9y ago
  UX on both platforms are pretty horrendous. But windows, especially the newer versions, is even worse imo. It's way too "in your face" and has extra nonsense that adds no purpose. Changing settings is unnecessarily complicated unless you have already done it in the past. Tiles in the start menu. Shortcuts are less efficient than macOS (switching tabs, closing apps, etc). And more. Ofc you can customize these, but I'd rather not. And it takes me a good amount of time to research if 3rd party apps are safe and secure especially on windows
- racl101 9y ago
  Well, for starters: - That it has Unix and its tools underneath - That app guis look consistently good on it (although I will admit that Windows has caught up to Mac OS X in this regard) - That I don't have to worry about catching viruses as easily when browsing the Internet. Yes, I know there are viruses for Mac, but I've not come across them. Not the same with Windows. In fact, I made the switch after catching a nasty one using Windows Vista and losing more than half of my stuff. - A corollary is not having to use Antivirus on a Mac - That even though Macs have little in terms of specs, that the OS doesn't fucking lag something fierce. Last Windows I used, Windows 8, was still a memory hog for a machine having twice the RAM as my Mac. It was a work machine, not a personal machine. And Most importantly, that I don't have to worry about maintaining the machine for all the aforementioned reasons and that I just get stuff done.

DigitalJack 9y ago

My wife has one of the new ones with the "particular" keyboard. I think it's okay (the keyboard), but it's pretty noisy.

Jack000 9y ago
I hated it at first but started liking it after a few weeks. 9 months later I kind of hate it again. You get used to the short travel, and the clickiness is very pleasant. The problem I have now is that sometimes you can feel a click and it doesn't trigger - most commonly with the arrow keys. Also occasionally a few keys would "jam" and not fully click. Overall my typing speed and accuracy has definitely decreased.
- visarga 9y ago
  Yeah, but it's 2 mm thinner. /s
eknkc 9y ago
The "particular" keyboard is actually quite good to use. I like the way I type on this one. However it's not reliable. A single speck of dust under the keycap then you have misfires. Keys get mushy for no reason, get stuck etc. My b key does not work reliably now for example.
- kalleboo 9y ago
  Yeah I really like the feel of it, but my "n" key has stopped working twice already (within a month of purchase!) - I've "massaged" it back to life both times with firm pressing. That reminds me I need to order compressed air from Amazon. Can I bill that to Apple I wonder
  - eknkc 9y ago
    I disassembled "n" a couple weeks ago, not just removing the keycap, but the entire butterfly mechanism. Cleaned up then reattached using glue. Works fine now. As far as I can tell, the mechanism is too fragile / shitty. There is a single metal dome below the key which acts like the spring and actuator. Butterfly thing is there to keep the keycap in place and distribute pressure so if you hit a corner it directs that to the dome thingy. That metal dome seems to have an issue with heat as most people report problems when the device heats up. Maybe it expands. If you look at the contacts below it looks like there is too little margin for error. I think this keyboard is gonna create a lot of issues in the long term.