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#1 - the fact that they don't have to specify, and we both know they mean spanish says it all. We have immigrants from Africa, from Brazil, from Italy, from Pol

#1 - the fact that they don't have to specify, and we both know they mean spanish says it all. We have immigrants from Africa, from Brazil, from Italy, from Poland, but where are the Polish "bilingual" classes, Italian, or Portuguese? Everyone should learn a second language, I learned Spanish in Middle and High School, and German in College. The problem with Prop 58, and the old system in California, is only learning one language, and that language not being English. We know kids learn languages faster when immersed in it. When you take a kid who only knows Spanish, and you teach them in Spanish, you are either crippling them, or you have an ulterior motive to put Spanish on an equal level as English. I believe the second is the intent, and the first is the outcome.

padseeker 9y ago
You still have to do better than prop 58. And you sound like you are contradicting your argument here. "The problem with Prop 58, and the old system in California, is only learning one language, and that language not being English. We know kids learn languages faster when immersed in it." From ballotpedia, make what you will of it; https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_58,_Non-English_Languages_Allowed_in_Public_Education_(2016) https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_58,_Non-Engli... Supporters made the following arguments in support of Proposition 58:[2] -The proposition would allow all students to become proficient in English as soon as possible. -The proposition would encourage schools to use instruction programs rather than expand multilingual education, thereby providing English speakers the opportunity to learn a second language. -The proposition would restore local control for California schools. -The proposition's changes would prepare students more effectively for the future. -Multilingual education encourages "intercultural interactions and empathy." You still have to do better than just Prop 58. You are tipping your hand with the quote "you have an ulterior motive to put Spanish on an equal level as English". I guess I'm happier that you are putting that in the open, but it definitely sounds xenophobic. Are there people who might feel that way? Perhaps, but you cannot put all those people in the same group. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a kid who was born elsewhere but is in a US school who isn't compelled to learn english.

padseeker 9y ago

You still have to do better than prop 58. And you sound like you are contradicting your argument here. "The problem with Prop 58, and the old system in California, is only learning one language, and that language not being English. We know kids learn languages faster when immersed in it." From ballotpedia, make what you will of it; https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_58,_Non-English_Languages_Allowed_in_Public_Education_(2016) https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_58,_Non-Engli... Supporters made the following arguments in support of Proposition 58:[2] -The proposition would allow all students to become proficient in English as soon as possible. -The proposition would encourage schools to use instruction programs rather than expand multilingual education, thereby providing English speakers the opportunity to learn a second language. -The proposition would restore local control for California schools. -The proposition's changes would prepare students more effectively for the future. -Multilingual education encourages "intercultural interactions and empathy." You still have to do better than just Prop 58. You are tipping your hand with the quote "you have an ulterior motive to put Spanish on an equal level as English". I guess I'm happier that you are putting that in the open, but it definitely sounds xenophobic. Are there people who might feel that way? Perhaps, but you cannot put all those people in the same group. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a kid who was born elsewhere but is in a US school who isn't compelled to learn english.