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This is pretty disingenuous. They're counting each city in the SF Bay Area as separate cities, whereas to a job seeker it doesn't really matter. It should rea

This is pretty disingenuous. They're counting each city in the SF Bay Area as separate cities, whereas to a job seeker it doesn't really matter. It should really be comparing commute zones rather than specific city names, that's more interesting comparison. I'd be willing to bet that if you compared the SF Bay Area to other commute zones, there would be no comparison in terms of jobs.

muninn_ 9y ago
And to add to that, the "software jobs" in the beltway tend to be enterprise Java application jobs. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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adjkant 9y ago
> They're counting each city in the SF Bay Area as separate cities, whereas to a job seeker it doesn't really matter. It may not matter for some but it would matter for others, myself included. I live in cities specifically to avoid "commute zones". So a middle somewhere between the two comparisons is likely more accurate. Still, the bigger highlight here is that there is a shift in tech jobs, and the focus is shifting a bit away from the valley relative to other cities/regions.
- WillPostForFood 9y ago
  Right but the same would apply to the NYC Metro area or DC, which are also sprawling areas with commute zones.
  - pmiller2 9y ago
    Exactly. The 5 boroughs of NYC are really 5 counties anywhere else. And people commute to NYC from NJ and CT sometimes, too.
- sbov 9y ago
  It might make sense to separate SF from San Jose, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to separate San Jose from the south bay - San Jose borders some of these cities on 2-3 sides.
ojbyrne 9y ago
I wonder how they treat jobs in suburbs - are Palo Alto, Mountain View, Menlo Park and Los Gatos included with San Jose?
- mc32 9y ago
  If they use the San Jose-Santa Clara MSA, then yes --which is probably how they are calculating it.
  - WillPostForFood 9y ago
    excluding Menlo Park (Facebook) which is in Mateo County.
Swizec 9y ago
As my CTO once said “If you’re gonna go so far as moving to the South Bay you might as well keep going until you reach LA” Once you’re in SF or immediate vicinity everything else becomes veeeeeery far away. I used to live in Menlo Park and the city felt pretty close. Now I’m In SF and I’d sooner come hang out with you in NYC than I would in Menlo. Yes some people commute that far every day. I have yet to meet anyone who says they don’t mind and aren’t desperately looking for ways to get out of it. A friend of mine works for Google and he said that any job opening for the SF office gets filled within seconds because everybody hates going to the main campus. Despite the fancy buses, a 2hr commute each way is killer.
- awalton 9y ago
  > Now I’m In SF and I’d sooner come hang out with you in NYC than I would in Menlo. Just to put this in perspective, you'd rather go down BART to Millbrae (up to 45 minutes), go through airport security (an hour on average), fly 4 hours and get out at like LaGuardia and find your way into whichever borough you wish of New York City which is gonna take at least half an hour... than ride Caltrain for 60-80 minutes from 4th and King to Menlo Park, or drive 45* minutes (according to Google maps right now). I'm not sure I can trust your time economy. Fully understand nobody wanting to do it twice a day, 5 days a week, but to hang out with a friend? Come right the hell on. * : typo.
  - sidlls 9y ago
    35 minutes drive seems..optimistic. I can't remember the last time I drove the 101 from that part of the peninsula into the city or the other direction in less than 45 minutes. Traffic on that whole road is a little taste of hell on Earth, and it gets worse around the San Mateo bridge, which seems to have an accident every few minutes.
    - Johnny555 9y ago
      Don't take 101, take 280, traffic on Sand Hill is not too bad outside of commute hours. During commute hours? A helicopter is the only way to do it in 35 minutes.

muninn_ 9y ago

And to add to that, the "software jobs" in the beltway tend to be enterprise Java application jobs. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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adjkant 9y ago

> They're counting each city in the SF Bay Area as separate cities, whereas to a job seeker it doesn't really matter. It may not matter for some but it would matter for others, myself included. I live in cities specifically to avoid "commute zones". So a middle somewhere between the two comparisons is likely more accurate. Still, the bigger highlight here is that there is a shift in tech jobs, and the focus is shifting a bit away from the valley relative to other cities/regions.

WillPostForFood 9y ago
Right but the same would apply to the NYC Metro area or DC, which are also sprawling areas with commute zones.
- pmiller2 9y ago
  Exactly. The 5 boroughs of NYC are really 5 counties anywhere else. And people commute to NYC from NJ and CT sometimes, too.
sbov 9y ago
It might make sense to separate SF from San Jose, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to separate San Jose from the south bay - San Jose borders some of these cities on 2-3 sides.

ojbyrne 9y ago

I wonder how they treat jobs in suburbs - are Palo Alto, Mountain View, Menlo Park and Los Gatos included with San Jose?

mc32 9y ago
If they use the San Jose-Santa Clara MSA, then yes --which is probably how they are calculating it.
- WillPostForFood 9y ago
  excluding Menlo Park (Facebook) which is in Mateo County.

Swizec 9y ago

As my CTO once said “If you’re gonna go so far as moving to the South Bay you might as well keep going until you reach LA” Once you’re in SF or immediate vicinity everything else becomes veeeeeery far away. I used to live in Menlo Park and the city felt pretty close. Now I’m In SF and I’d sooner come hang out with you in NYC than I would in Menlo. Yes some people commute that far every day. I have yet to meet anyone who says they don’t mind and aren’t desperately looking for ways to get out of it. A friend of mine works for Google and he said that any job opening for the SF office gets filled within seconds because everybody hates going to the main campus. Despite the fancy buses, a 2hr commute each way is killer.

awalton 9y ago
> Now I’m In SF and I’d sooner come hang out with you in NYC than I would in Menlo. Just to put this in perspective, you'd rather go down BART to Millbrae (up to 45 minutes), go through airport security (an hour on average), fly 4 hours and get out at like LaGuardia and find your way into whichever borough you wish of New York City which is gonna take at least half an hour... than ride Caltrain for 60-80 minutes from 4th and King to Menlo Park, or drive 45* minutes (according to Google maps right now). I'm not sure I can trust your time economy. Fully understand nobody wanting to do it twice a day, 5 days a week, but to hang out with a friend? Come right the hell on. * : typo.
- sidlls 9y ago
  35 minutes drive seems..optimistic. I can't remember the last time I drove the 101 from that part of the peninsula into the city or the other direction in less than 45 minutes. Traffic on that whole road is a little taste of hell on Earth, and it gets worse around the San Mateo bridge, which seems to have an accident every few minutes.
  - Johnny555 9y ago
    Don't take 101, take 280, traffic on Sand Hill is not too bad outside of commute hours. During commute hours? A helicopter is the only way to do it in 35 minutes.