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Which is effectively the same, since if you're now violating an additional patent by continuing to use React, you just gave Facebook additional munition to pote

Which is effectively the same, since if you're now violating an additional patent by continuing to use React, you just gave Facebook additional munition to potentially use against you.

Lazare 9y ago
> since if you're now violating an additional patent by continuing to use React What patent? Patents are a matter of public record; tell me what patent you think I'd be violating.
- AsyncAwait 9y ago
  Right now, none, but I was talking about the potential of the thing, Facebook might apply for a React-related patent in the future and if you have an entirely React-based project, that say your company depends on, it's going to be a problem.
  - Lazare 9y ago
    Yes, but... 1) Anyone could apply for a patent on anything. IBM could apply for a patent on some core tech used in your own 100% home rolled web stack. I mean, I have no reason to think they will, but if we're just pulling stuff out of the air that might happen, that seems just as likely. 2) ...actually, more likely. Because a patent application must be filed within 1 year of public disclosure or its barred, and React has been out for years. So... > Facebook might apply for a React-related patent in the future No, that would be illegal.
    - AsyncAwait 9y ago
      Valid points, I only disagree with: > No, that would be illegal. How come? So there couldn't be a new version of React with some patented technology? See i.e. [1]. 1 - https://www.google.com/patents/US20170221242?dq=facebook+user+interface+react+virtual+dom&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWo8DVvZzWAhWojlQKHXRDAkgQ6AEIPzAD https://www.google.com/patents/US20170221242?dq=facebook+use...
abritinthebay 9y ago
You mean the exact same situation as if it didn’t have the grant in the first place?
- AsyncAwait 9y ago
  If it used something like Apache, Facebook couldn't just deny you the right to use React if you sue them.
  - Lazare 9y ago
    Facebook can't deny you the right to use React if you sue them. They can deny you the right to use their patents...if any exist.
    - AsyncAwait 9y ago
      That's semantics, because if they deny you the right to use a patent that you need to use React, you effectively cannot use React.
      - abritinthebay 9y ago
        That’s true no matter what. Without a patent grant you’re in the same situation. You’d still be covered by the (less powerful) implicit grant in the license anyhow as the license doesn’t get revoked. You can’t have it both ways: both with and without the grant can’t be bad.
        AsyncAwait 9y ago
        Yeah, I'd prefer Facebook to declare to not participating in the software patent fiasco at all and to lobby for it not being allowed, but at present, my thinking is that it just seems like having the ability to EXPLICITLY revoke you a patent grant is actually worse than having an implicit one, since then it will probably would be harder to argue for Facebook that they have the ability to explicitly revoke something that is part of the license as a whole, but I accept that I might be wrong on this as IANAL.

Which is effectively the same, since if you're now violating an additional patent by continuing to use React, you just gave Facebook additional munition to potentially use against you.

Lazare 9y ago

> since if you're now violating an additional patent by continuing to use React What patent? Patents are a matter of public record; tell me what patent you think I'd be violating.

AsyncAwait 9y ago
Right now, none, but I was talking about the potential of the thing, Facebook might apply for a React-related patent in the future and if you have an entirely React-based project, that say your company depends on, it's going to be a problem.
- Lazare 9y ago
  Yes, but... 1) Anyone could apply for a patent on anything. IBM could apply for a patent on some core tech used in your own 100% home rolled web stack. I mean, I have no reason to think they will, but if we're just pulling stuff out of the air that might happen, that seems just as likely. 2) ...actually, more likely. Because a patent application must be filed within 1 year of public disclosure or its barred, and React has been out for years. So... > Facebook might apply for a React-related patent in the future No, that would be illegal.
  - AsyncAwait 9y ago
    Valid points, I only disagree with: > No, that would be illegal. How come? So there couldn't be a new version of React with some patented technology? See i.e. [1]. 1 - https://www.google.com/patents/US20170221242?dq=facebook+user+interface+react+virtual+dom&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWo8DVvZzWAhWojlQKHXRDAkgQ6AEIPzAD https://www.google.com/patents/US20170221242?dq=facebook+use...

abritinthebay 9y ago

You mean the exact same situation as if it didn’t have the grant in the first place?

AsyncAwait 9y ago
If it used something like Apache, Facebook couldn't just deny you the right to use React if you sue them.
- Lazare 9y ago
  Facebook can't deny you the right to use React if you sue them. They can deny you the right to use their patents...if any exist.
  - AsyncAwait 9y ago
    That's semantics, because if they deny you the right to use a patent that you need to use React, you effectively cannot use React.
    - abritinthebay 9y ago
      That’s true no matter what. Without a patent grant you’re in the same situation. You’d still be covered by the (less powerful) implicit grant in the license anyhow as the license doesn’t get revoked. You can’t have it both ways: both with and without the grant can’t be bad.
      - AsyncAwait 9y ago
        Yeah, I'd prefer Facebook to declare to not participating in the software patent fiasco at all and to lobby for it not being allowed, but at present, my thinking is that it just seems like having the ability to EXPLICITLY revoke you a patent grant is actually worse than having an implicit one, since then it will probably would be harder to argue for Facebook that they have the ability to explicitly revoke something that is part of the license as a whole, but I accept that I might be wrong on this as IANAL.