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no - you didnt understand what I meant. if you are going to get acquired by a company that has a potential patent dispute (of any kind), then this license is da

no - you didnt understand what I meant. if you are going to get acquired by a company that has a potential patent dispute (of any kind), then this license is dangerous. Now, people will still use React - because its javascript and at the end of the day, you can rewrite your web stack faster. Imagine if you have a React Native app already distributed, a Caffe2 ai pipeline in production... or if your logic is in Bucklescript. Much harder to move away if your acquiring company is in a dispute.

Lazare 9y ago
> then this license is dangerous. ...if Facebook has any patents. Which, in this case, it seems very likely they do not.
- sandGorgon 9y ago
  Point taken. But then the question really is - is Bucklescript so much more compelling than Typescript to be playing lawyer-lawyer ?
  - Lazare 9y ago
    Bucklescript is from Bloomberg, not Facebook.
- moron4hire 9y ago
  They have a lot more than I do http://patents.justia.com/company/facebook?list=patents http://patents.justia.com/company/facebook?list=patents
  - Lazare 9y ago
    Right, and how many of them are on React?
    - moron4hire 9y ago
      Doesn't matter. You're licenses to all of Facebook's software gets revoked for any patent claim against Facebook.
      - Lazare 9y ago
        > Doesn't matter. You're licenses to all of Facebook's software gets revoked for any patent claim against Facebook. Incorrect. Your license to their patents gets revoked. Hence why the React license "issue" is basically a paper tiger. (See, eg, https://medium.com/@dwalsh.sdlr/react-facebook-and-the-revokable-patent-license-why-its-a-paper-25c40c50b562 https://medium.com/@dwalsh.sdlr/react-facebook-and-the-revok...)
        yawaramin 9y ago
        > Your license to their patents gets revoked. That's not my reading. From the patent grant: > Facebook ... grants to each recipient of the Software ... license under any Necessary Claims, to make, have made, use, sell, offer to sell, import, and otherwise transfer the Software. This doesn't say that they're granting you a license to their patents, just their software. In fact, about patents they go beyond to say: > ... no license is granted under Facebook’s rights in any patent claims that are infringed by (i) modifications to the Software made by you or any third party or (ii) the Software in combination with any software or other technology. IMO that's pretty clearly saying you don't actually have any license to their patents. Regarding the termination clause: > The license granted hereunder will terminate.... It seems pretty clear the only license granted hereunder is the one to use the software; in other words if you sue FB for patent infringement you lose the right to use React/Reason.
        tzs 9y ago
        According to Facebook's "Open Source License FAQ" [1]: > Does termination of the additional patent grant in the Facebook BSD+Patents license cause the copyright license to also terminate? > No. [1] https://code.facebook.com/pages/850928938376556 https://code.facebook.com/pages/850928938376556
clu3l355 9y ago
If developing your idea in something else takes longer or is buggier, perhaps you'll never get to a stage where your company worth acquiring.

Lazare 9y ago

> then this license is dangerous. ...if Facebook has any patents. Which, in this case, it seems very likely they do not.

sandGorgon 9y ago
Point taken. But then the question really is - is Bucklescript so much more compelling than Typescript to be playing lawyer-lawyer ?
- Lazare 9y ago
  Bucklescript is from Bloomberg, not Facebook.
moron4hire 9y ago
They have a lot more than I do http://patents.justia.com/company/facebook?list=patents http://patents.justia.com/company/facebook?list=patents
- Lazare 9y ago
  Right, and how many of them are on React?
  - moron4hire 9y ago
    Doesn't matter. You're licenses to all of Facebook's software gets revoked for any patent claim against Facebook.
    - Lazare 9y ago
      > Doesn't matter. You're licenses to all of Facebook's software gets revoked for any patent claim against Facebook. Incorrect. Your license to their patents gets revoked. Hence why the React license "issue" is basically a paper tiger. (See, eg, https://medium.com/@dwalsh.sdlr/react-facebook-and-the-revokable-patent-license-why-its-a-paper-25c40c50b562 https://medium.com/@dwalsh.sdlr/react-facebook-and-the-revok...)
      - yawaramin 9y ago
        > Your license to their patents gets revoked. That's not my reading. From the patent grant: > Facebook ... grants to each recipient of the Software ... license under any Necessary Claims, to make, have made, use, sell, offer to sell, import, and otherwise transfer the Software. This doesn't say that they're granting you a license to their patents, just their software. In fact, about patents they go beyond to say: > ... no license is granted under Facebook’s rights in any patent claims that are infringed by (i) modifications to the Software made by you or any third party or (ii) the Software in combination with any software or other technology. IMO that's pretty clearly saying you don't actually have any license to their patents. Regarding the termination clause: > The license granted hereunder will terminate.... It seems pretty clear the only license granted hereunder is the one to use the software; in other words if you sue FB for patent infringement you lose the right to use React/Reason.
        tzs 9y ago
        According to Facebook's "Open Source License FAQ" [1]: > Does termination of the additional patent grant in the Facebook BSD+Patents license cause the copyright license to also terminate? > No. [1] https://code.facebook.com/pages/850928938376556 https://code.facebook.com/pages/850928938376556

clu3l355 9y ago

If developing your idea in something else takes longer or is buggier, perhaps you'll never get to a stage where your company worth acquiring.