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Do you recognize that these prohibition laws were unjust? If they were, then what does someone's defiance of those laws have to do with anything? Shouldn't they

Do you recognize that these prohibition laws were unjust? If they were, then what does someone's defiance of those laws have to do with anything? Shouldn't they in fact be praised for standing up to oppression? Or do you think these laws were just after all?

jajuanandj 9y ago
"standing up to oppression" is not a "get out of being an asshole free" card
- kakarot 9y ago
  Okay? And where does the asshole part come in?
  - kelnos 9y ago
    A great many of the illegal pot farmers damage public (and private) lands, screw with the water supply, pollute rivers, and leave trash behind. Not to mention growing country has a higher rate of violent crime than even LA County. That's where the asshole part comes in. (All of this is right from the article.)
    - kakarot 9y ago
      Part of reading comprehension is understanding the source of what you are reading. In this case, we have police officers who indisputably have bias against legal marijuana and who lack empathy towards those who see little benefit in paying an essentially criminal amount of taxes and adhering to overbearing regulation (not all of it is overbearing -- it's important to look after mother nature), framing the conversation in a way that serves their agenda. I don't see many actual numbers being thrown around in the article. It's largely speculation on behalf of the police officers. If you wish to convince me, you will need a less subjective source, for example actual well-executed studies on the negative impacts of pot farmers in California, as well as literature proving the necessity of such high taxes and regulation by the government.
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dogruck 9y ago
We have laws, and we have mechanisms to change the laws. There are consequences to breaking laws. We live in a society.
- lovich 9y ago
  Since this is about the US, the country literally was founded by people disregarding the laws because they were unjust. The law is the law but that's it. Break in a law isnt inherently immoral
  - kelnos 9y ago
    No, but just saying so doesn't make breaking this law somehow ok. You disagreeing with something doesn't make it immoral. Look, these people have been growing for a long time, illegally. I don't have a problem with the growing itself, but they've been making a mess of Mendocino County for years, and they're not exactly all nice people (violent crime rate up there is pretty high). Now we have a legal framework for growing, for actually doing it in a legal way. Sure, some of the new requirements will hurt. But overall we'll end up with a safer growing situation, and things will be done in a way that doesn't damage the land.
    - boomboomsubban 9y ago
      >Now we have a legal framework for growing, for actually doing it in a legal way. No, they don't. Following that framework is admitting you are breaking a federal law. It bars you from being successful in businesses, make a lot of money and the feds have more reason to target you.
    - lovich 9y ago
      True, and I agree that people doing these illegal grows in public land and threatening people are acting immorally. Like the other commenter said though, the framework is not there for legal marijuana production, it just removes one of the layers of illegality
- dogecoinbase 9y ago

jajuanandj 9y ago

"standing up to oppression" is not a "get out of being an asshole free" card

kakarot 9y ago
Okay? And where does the asshole part come in?
- kelnos 9y ago
  A great many of the illegal pot farmers damage public (and private) lands, screw with the water supply, pollute rivers, and leave trash behind. Not to mention growing country has a higher rate of violent crime than even LA County. That's where the asshole part comes in. (All of this is right from the article.)
  - kakarot 9y ago
    Part of reading comprehension is understanding the source of what you are reading. In this case, we have police officers who indisputably have bias against legal marijuana and who lack empathy towards those who see little benefit in paying an essentially criminal amount of taxes and adhering to overbearing regulation (not all of it is overbearing -- it's important to look after mother nature), framing the conversation in a way that serves their agenda. I don't see many actual numbers being thrown around in the article. It's largely speculation on behalf of the police officers. If you wish to convince me, you will need a less subjective source, for example actual well-executed studies on the negative impacts of pot farmers in California, as well as literature proving the necessity of such high taxes and regulation by the government.
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dogruck 9y ago

We have laws, and we have mechanisms to change the laws. There are consequences to breaking laws. We live in a society.

lovich 9y ago
Since this is about the US, the country literally was founded by people disregarding the laws because they were unjust. The law is the law but that's it. Break in a law isnt inherently immoral
- kelnos 9y ago
  No, but just saying so doesn't make breaking this law somehow ok. You disagreeing with something doesn't make it immoral. Look, these people have been growing for a long time, illegally. I don't have a problem with the growing itself, but they've been making a mess of Mendocino County for years, and they're not exactly all nice people (violent crime rate up there is pretty high). Now we have a legal framework for growing, for actually doing it in a legal way. Sure, some of the new requirements will hurt. But overall we'll end up with a safer growing situation, and things will be done in a way that doesn't damage the land.
  - boomboomsubban 9y ago
    >Now we have a legal framework for growing, for actually doing it in a legal way. No, they don't. Following that framework is admitting you are breaking a federal law. It bars you from being successful in businesses, make a lot of money and the feds have more reason to target you.
  - lovich 9y ago
    True, and I agree that people doing these illegal grows in public land and threatening people are acting immorally. Like the other commenter said though, the framework is not there for legal marijuana production, it just removes one of the layers of illegality
dogecoinbase 9y ago